4 Canadians killed in Afghanistan

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

As for Afghanistan and the lack of thank you. The people that are carting the Canucks and their equipment in and out and around Afghanistan AND around the world are the Americans. I think we owe them, especially after our Prime Minister told them that 3000 thousand of their citizens (and 23 Canucks) deserved to die.

Ahh yes, that's exactly what he did. A fine point you make, HOZ, as usual.

Suggesting that there might be some sort of motivation behind terrorism is disgraceful, bordering on treasonous.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ahh yes, that's exactly what he did. A fine point you make, HOZ, as usual.

Suggesting that there might be some sort of motivation behind terrorism is disgraceful, bordering on treasonous.

Are you supporting the Taleban Rouge? Not sure where this is going.....but....I did make a mistake...I meant to say OUR.....

But other than that I will say this....

Only the truely dim or delusional believe they, the terrorists, have anything but hate in their motivation. The hate they spew would not change if they had 11 billion dollars (each) in their pockets or were on top of the world looking down on us. They are facists, plain and simple. They hate us and they want us dead.

They use every precieved or imagined offense against them or others (LIKE THEM) to legitamise their warped causes I.e. Their hatred of anything or anyone not like them. They dupe the gullible into acts of sheer evil. They do not hedge their hatred of us in PC bafflegab. They hate us simply because we are NOT LIKE THEM.

To believe that your hero's idea that they must have a good reason if they hate us some much ....

Is to believe...
The KKK has a good reason for hating blacks.



Did I highlite enough of what I think their motivation is? Lets all go see United 93 shall we. Lots of love in that film I hear.

Or


Please go back to your regular "Useful-idiot" programming.

[mykalberta]

I said it before the Iraq ware and I wills ay it again.

The US shoudl remove all military forces and foreign aid from every country in the World. Then let the "Great and powerful UN" handle everything.

You want to see a shat storm of the nth percentile, let the UN run the world the way they see fit, talk talk talk talk talk talk, oh wait were dead, no more talking.

The US has a lot off issues with their foreign policy but all the Bush haters should take a long hard look at what could be if the US decided to really close its borders - for one, over half the worlds countries would go into depression because the US holds over 60% of all IMF loans.

The majority of the same number of people who oppose Iraq in the US and most likely Canada have or would have opposed every war since the beginning of time. The simple fact of the world is that negotioation never solved anything. You dont have to look any farther than Canada, the Brits negotiated with the Franco citizens instead of simply invading, yes it was cheaper then but look now. Quebec is the 2nd most polulus province and yet has the second highest debt to GDP percentage. And yet they have the balls to say the rest of Canada should send money to a province that wants to leave.

MYK - Proud to be on the RIGHT side.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Are you supporting the Taleban Rouge? Not sure where this is going.....but....I did make a mistake...I meant to say OUR.....

But other than that I will say this....

Only the truely dim or delusional believe they, the terrorists, have anything but hate in their motivation. The hate they spew would not change if they had 11 billion dollars (each) in their pockets or were on top of the world looking down on us. They are facists, plain and simple. They hate us and they want us dead.

They use every precieved or imagined offense against them or others (LIKE THEM) to legitamise their warped causes I.e. Their hatred of anything or anyone not like them. They dupe the gullible into acts of sheer evil. They do not hedge their hatred of us in PC bafflegab. They hate us simply because we are NOT LIKE THEM.

To believe that your hero's idea that they must have a good reason if they hate us some much ....

Is to believe...
The KKK has a good reason for hating blacks.



Did I highlite enough of what I think their motivation is? Lets all go see United 93 shall we. Lots of love in that film I hear.

Or


Please go back to your regular "Useful-idiot" programming.

Laugh. Ooh you sure showed me.

Anyhow, I know they aren't the most trustworthy bunch around, but when one of them loons says something, why do you insist he's lying?

For example when a guy says "we want the American troops out of the holy land", do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Or if another guy says "they propped up this evil dictator for 20 years and we are not happy about it" do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Or what about that whole Israel/Palestine mess? They've been griping about that for years. Do you really believe they don't care about that and instead are just hate us because we don't follow their religion? I mean it seems to me that they've been using that situation as a recruiting tool since day 1, but your theory has it that they don't really care about that. They just hate us because we are different than them?

Or what about the guy in Fallujah whose house got blown up and his kids are dead. If he picks up a weapon and starts shooting at some western soldiers, is he doing it because he hates us because we don't follow his religion, or is he doing it for some other reason?

You know what HOZ, I think it's about time you shelved your simpleton theory. I believe there is plenty of space for it next to the uranium from Nigeria.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well how truely ignorant you both are about the country to the south of Canada. These problems have been happening thanks to a protectionist Congress. Not the President of the United States. And these problems have been popping up long before GWB.

I know how you two and others love to make fun of how stuuuupid those Yanks are about Canada....but then you come and show that you are no better. Try and learn something about their system of government before making any idiotic statements about Americans.

As for Afghanistan and the lack of thank you. The people that are carting the Canucks and their equipment in and out and around Afghanistan AND around the world are the Americans. I think we owe them, especially after our Prime Minister told them that 3000 thousand of their citizens (and 23 Canucks) deserved to die.

Funny - I don't seem to recall mentioning Bush as the sole reason for the lack of movement on the trade disputes...Unless, of course, you believe that the US and the Bush administration are the same entities.

When I said that the US does not act out of altruism, that includes Clinton's administration as well.

Maybe you ought to read the posts a little more carefully before you go off on people in your rant.

As for the last part of your qoute, if you mean 9/11 and our decision not to invade Iraq, you are mistaken - we were part of the coalition that sought retribution for 9/11 in Afghanistan, the country that was harbouring bin Laden.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's not at all about propping up an elected government or rebuilding... it's about hunting down Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters.

I agree with most of your post except this. What Operation Archer is really about is stabilising the country until the Afghani government and its organs can do the job itself. Propping up is perhaps not the best term, but we are there to allow the government to establish itself. We're there to help the country rebuild indirectly, by providing the stability that will allow an autonomous government to manage the situation itself in time.

Hunting down Taliban and Al-Qaeda may be a subtantial part of providing the stability, but we're not hunting them down just for the sake of hunting them down. The aim isn't to eradicate international terrorism. It's to promote the order requisite for the Afghani government to establish control over the lawless parts of the country.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Laugh. Ooh you sure showed me.

Anyhow, I know they aren't the most trustworthy bunch around, but when one of them loons says something, why do you insist he's lying?

For example when a guy says "we want the American troops out of the holy land", do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Or if another guy says "they propped up this evil dictator for 20 years and we are not happy about it" do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Or what about that whole Israel/Palestine mess? They've been griping about that for years. Do you really believe they don't care about that and instead are just hate us because we don't follow their religion? I mean it seems to me that they've been using that situation as a recruiting tool since day 1, but your theory has it that they don't really care about that. They just hate us because we are different than them?

Or what about the guy in Fallujah whose house got blown up and his kids are dead. If he picks up a weapon and starts shooting at some western soldiers, is he doing it because he hates us because we don't follow his religion, or is he doing it for some other reason?

You know what HOZ, I think it's about time you shelved your simpleton theory. I believe there is plenty of space for it next to the uranium from Nigeria.

I know they aren't the most trustworthy bunch around, but when one of them loons says something, why do you insist he's lying?

Never said they are lying. They are motivated by hate. I am absolutely sure they beleive every kg of BS they spew. Not sure why you and others continually buy it.

For example when a guy says "we want the American troops out of the holy land", do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Ahhh Osam Binhidden! Americans have moved all their forces out of his HOLY LAND and reside elsewhere. Iraq is not holy land. Either is the SUDAN or EGYPT. Why is he still fighting and killing..........MUSLIMS in these parts? Feel free to recheck his latest rant against the ...U S of .......errrr UN in Sudan???

Check out his pprecious delusions of grandeur when he as talking about reuniting the great Caliphet from Spain to Indonesia! Ya it was all about love and togetherness!

Or if another guy says "they propped up this evil dictator for 20 years and we are not happy about it" do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Umm......The Shah of Iran? Castro? The US didn't remove or in the latter prop up. Can I blow up Russian and Venzuela civilians now? Do youmean Saddam? Then why aren't they blowing up train stations in China?

Or what about that whole Israel/Palestine mess? They've been griping about that for years. Do you really believe they don't care about that and instead are just hate us because we don't follow their religion? I mean it seems to me that they've been using that situation as a recruiting tool since day 1, but your theory has it that they don't really care about that. They just hate us because we are different than them?

Ahhh the crux of the moonbat-terrorist-dictator-apologist arguement. IF ONLY we solve the Palestianian question.......

Dictators would see the light, freedom would spring, Muslim and Jew alike will hug and have intermarriages, farts would never stink......I mean all would be right.

It is sooooo simple. Love them and they will love us.


It is unfortunate that they, the terrorists, and those that support them are FASCISTS.

As for the Falluhja guy........I can understand him. But then he is up against 300,000 Iraqis that have stood tall and fought FOR their new Democratic government. Some of them have lost family members too. Mostly to thos enon-haters you described.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well how truely ignorant you both are about the country to the south of Canada.

I'd advise you to shut your pie-hole too there Mr. Know-Nothing. You know NOTHING of the United States or how it functions. What you know about comes from FoxNews, which means you get 1% fact, 99% posturing.

These problems have been happening thanks to a protectionist Congress. Not the President of the United States. And these problems have been popping up long before GWB.

They have just been amplified to new and terrifying levels under Bush, but feel free to ignore that fact.

I know how you two and others love to make fun of how stuuuupid those Yanks are about Canada....but then you come and show that you are no better. Try and learn something about their system of government before making any idiotic statements about Americans.

Care to elaborate? That's a very vague statement. Feel free to flesh out where the err is.

As for Afghanistan and the lack of thank you. The people that are carting the Canucks and their equipment in and out and around Afghanistan AND around the world are the Americans. I think we owe them, especially after our Prime Minister told them that 3000 thousand of their citizens (and 23 Canucks) deserved to die.

Here's the facts on Afganistan. The United States started something they had no inclination of finishing. The target all along was Iraq and getting into Afghanistan was nothing more than a token gesture to give the impression of chasing down terrorism. The United States never committed enough troops, nor resources, to win the peace in Afghanistan. The troops that should have gone to Afghanistan to secure that country was diverted to Iraq to hunt down WMD's... er remove a regime that was torturing and brutalizing the people... er eliminate a threat that was linked to 9/11... er spread democracy! America's commitment to Afghanistan is dick compared to what it is in Iraq. The United States total commitment to operations and security in Afghanistan for the past 4 years is equivalent to that which is spent in Iraq in 4 days. The United States stirred up the hornets nest then went nation building elsewhere, leaving a small, ill equiped, force to secure the country. Canada and the rest of the coaltion has been hung out to dry. Afghanistan has been hung out to dry. Its no wonder the Islamic world hates the west based on the actiosn that have taken place in this country over the past 30 years.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I know they aren't the most trustworthy bunch around, but when one of them loons says something, why do you insist he's lying?

Never said they are lying. They are motivated by hate. I am absolutely sure they beleive every kg of BS they spew. Not sure why you and others continually buy it.

Yeah, you're right HOZ, they're haters. I know it was Usama bin Laden who said, "You're either with us, or you're against us."



Hating comes in sooooooo many different shades.

For example when a guy says "we want the American troops out of the holy land", do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Ahhh Osam Binhidden! Americans have moved all their forces out of his HOLY LAND and reside elsewhere. Iraq is not holy land. Either is the SUDAN or EGYPT. Why is he still fighting and killing..........MUSLIMS in these parts? Feel free to recheck his latest rant against the ...U S of .......errrr UN in Sudan???

Uh, Iraq is part of the Holy Land to Muslims. Najaf and Karbala are both holy cities to the Shia. The fact of the matter is that the Islamic Holy Land stretches from the Mediteranian well into Iran.

Check out his pprecious delusions of grandeur when he as talking about reuniting the great Caliphet from Spain to Indonesia! Ya it was all about love and togetherness!

And that is different from Bush spewing crap about spreading democracy around the globe? Ideologues say what ever they need to motivate followers.

Or if another guy says "they propped up this evil dictator for 20 years and we are not happy about it" do you really think he's lying and the truth is that they just hate us?

Umm......The Shah of Iran? Castro? The US didn't remove or in the latter prop up. Can I blow up Russian and Venzuela civilians now? Do youmean Saddam? Then why aren't they blowing up train stations in China?

Is there an coherence in this thought?

Or what about that whole Israel/Palestine mess? They've been griping about that for years. Do you really believe they don't care about that and instead are just hate us because we don't follow their religion? I mean it seems to me that they've been using that situation as a recruiting tool since day 1, but your theory has it that they don't really care about that. They just hate us because we are different than them?

Ahhh the crux of the moonbat-terrorist-dictator-apologist arguement. IF ONLY we solve the Palestianian question.......


Dictators would see the light, freedom would spring, Muslim and Jew alike will hug and have intermarriages, farts would never stink......I mean all would be right.

It is sooooo simple. Love them and they will love us.

Ahhh the ignorance of the neo-conservative with his head planted firmly up his ass! If only we start listening to what they are saying and frame it in a non-western perspective.

It is unfortunate that they, the terrorists, and those that support them are FASCISTS.

And the Bush administration are in the same boat. What is your point. Both have a dream of instituting THEIR vision of a totalitarian regime. One is guided by Islamic ideals and the political constructs of the caliph from centuries ago, when the Muslim world was at its height. The other is guided by twisted Christian ideals and the political constructs of a phoney baloney democracy where purple die on finger tips makes oppression alright.

As for the Falluhja guy........I can understand him. But then he is up against 300,000 Iraqis that have stood tall and fought FOR their new Democratic government. Some of them have lost family members too. Mostly to thos enon-haters you described.

More mindless rambling with zero basis. So this "Falluhja guy" is fighting all by himself? It's him against the rest of Iraq now? Someone better tell all those fighting against the Americans that they can lay down their arms now, that it's really just that "Falluhja guy" that needs to fight. You are aware that the US government admitted to grossly exaggerating the Al-Zarqawi (nee "that Falluhja guy") in efforts to sway public opinion in America and stay the course. The government caught in another lie to explain away all of their actions in Iraq.

You are also aware that the vast majority of Iraqis want the United States out. The majority fight through peaceful means. There are still plenty of people willing to get bloody to send the Americans home anyway they can. The ranks are not thinning, which is not good. Again, stepping into their sandals, would we do anything different of our country was occupied by a hated foreign nation?

[HOZ]

Does anybody take Lanny seriously anymore? Seriously...

The man argues one way then another dependingona whim....

Foxnews....as a conservative newbraodcaster....is it then invalid? But then you must remember that I have never quoted from them...and I do challenge (not the first time for Lanny) to prove (Lanny:somethinig / anything) that I have quoted from this source.


But then the man is, in my opinion, not reallly connected tothis world. Fox news one post remind everyonethat he has discovered thatI live in Japan another...(even though he and many other LONG time posters (moderators) have known this for 5 years or more)

I don't get FoxNews. I get BBC world and CNN and various JApaes networks


This is a guy that misquotes me basically explaining what democracy is; when arguing his idiotic-dingdong-elitism about Iraqis needing a dictator to "keep them in line"

[HOZ]

Does anybody take Lanny seriously anymore? Seriously...

The man argues one way then another depending on a whim....

Foxnews....as a conservative news broadcaster....is it then invalid? Surely not.

So why is Lanny so offended by them? Could it be tat they present news in a different light than his narrow conspiracy theory world? Obviouslythey are threatening!!!!!! And so am I if I watch such things...

But then you must remember that I have never quoted from them...and I do challenge (not the first time for Lanny) to prove (Lanny:somethinig / anything) that I have quoted from this source. I have quoted from many a MSM that are considered Liberal in bent. Vewry easy to find if you look.

So whatis it with this FoxNews stuff?

The man is, in my opinion, not reallly connected to this world. He posts these Foxnews flares as though I am somewhere central Texas then reminds everyone that he has discovered that I live in Japan another...(even though he and many other LONG time posters/moderators have known this for 5 years or more)

I don't get FoxNews here in Japan. It may be possible but I don't get it. I do get American Idol. Newswise.... I get BBC world and CNN and various Japanese networks

Remember: This is a guy that misquotes me basically explaining what democracy is; when arguing his idiotic-dingdong-elitism about Iraqis needing a dictator to "keep them in line"


Lanny = Moonbat Water Buffalo PooBAh

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Does anybody take Lanny seriously anymore?

To the extent that anyone should be taken seriously on a message board, if I were you I wouldn't be out there asking if someone else is taken seriously. You aren't even making sense.

Anyway, it's clearly pointless to discuss this with you. You've got it in your head that they couldn't possibly have a gripe about anything at all and you'll stick with "it's just because they hate us" until the end of time.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Does anybody take Lanny seriously anymore? Seriously...

Only those with a functioning brain in their head, which precludes you.

The man argues one way then another depending on a whim....

Hmmm, how so. I'm very consistent in my position. People have the right to do what ever they like based on their societal norms. We westerners have no idea what those norms are in the middle or far east and we should not attempt to enforce our ideals on the peoples of those regions. What a concept!

Foxnews....as a conservative news broadcaster....is it then invalid? Surely not.

Except that it is proven to be the propaganda organ of the Bush Admin and provides nothing more than commentary, NOT news.

So why is Lanny so offended by them? Could it be tat they present news in a different light than his narrow conspiracy theory world? Obviouslythey are threatening!!!!!! And so am I if I watch such things...

News in a different light? How about any NEWS at all? They present a story then spend spend the next 10 hours telling their viewers what the Bush Admin thinks about it and how great it is/bad it is for America based on the response of the Bush Admin. Again, Fox does not broadcast NEWS, they broadcast talking points and opinion from one ideology.

But then you must remember that I have never quoted from them...and I do challenge (not the first time for Lanny) to prove (Lanny:somethinig / anything) that I have quoted from this source. I have quoted from many a MSM that are considered Liberal in bent. Vewry easy to find if you look.

What's your point? Do you have one, other than the one under your hat?

So whatis it with this FoxNews stuff?

You're trying to tell me you don't know? Whatever.

The man is, in my opinion, not reallly connected to this world. He posts these Foxnews flares as though I am somewhere central Texas then reminds everyone that he has discovered that I live in Japan another...(even though he and many other LONG time posters/moderators have known this for 5 years or more)

Hmmmm, FoxNews is broadcast all over the world, including Japan (on Americable). But nice try LIAR.

I don't get FoxNews here in Japan. It may be possible but I don't get it. I do get American Idol. Newswise.... I get BBC world and CNN and various Japanese networks

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were getting FoxNews "game tapes". Sure sounded that way.

Remember: This is a guy that misquotes me basically explaining what democracy is; when arguing his idiotic-dingdong-elitism about Iraqis needing a dictator to "keep them in line"

Misquotes you? That is a direct quote and you know it. So please stop your lying.

Lanny = Moonbat Water Buffalo PooBAh

Wow, more great insight... from a thirder. What's next? Nanny nanny boo boo???

One thing you can count on from you neo-conservative idiots is a lot of arm waiving trying to distract people from the important issue, and you do it in spades here. Don't focus on the issues, of which you have nothing to support you. Continue to try and discredit the one who makes you look like the stupid idiot you are.