2004 Reasons to Boot Bush...

[Cube Inmate]

They missed the most important reason: Can you trust a man to manage the world's largest nuclear arsenal when he can't even pronounce "nuclear" correctly?

:stupid:

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Sep 16 2004, 03:49 PM
You guys can't even come up with a reason why I should vote for Kerry other than he's not Bush. Kerry himself REFUSES to say why I should vote for him excpept that he's not Bush.

http://www.johnkerry.com

What else is he supposed to do? He's given many reasons to vote for him, including, though not stated exactly as such, that he is not Bush.

A broom would have a better anti-terrorism plan than Bush in my opinion...

[Cube Inmate]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Sep 16 2004, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Sep 16 2004, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Sep 16 2004, 09:27 PM
Give me 10 reasons to elect Kerry.

1. Kerry didn't lie to the American people about WMD to get into Iraq.

2. Kerry hasn't run up a record deficit.

3. Kerry hasn't lost more than a million jobs more than have been created.

4. Kerry isn't a war monger focused on expanding the conflict into other threatres of war. He understands war is hell and doesn't want to subject innocent Americans to it first hand unless absolutely needed.

5. Kerry can say the word "nuclear" and doesn't commit atrocities against the english language every time he speaks.

6. Kerry hasn't sold the enviornment down the river in favor of big business.

7. Kerry doesn't have direct relationships with the family of the most wanted terrorist on earth.

8. Kerry doesn't have "Patriot Act II: We strip away more civil liberties" on the boards for introduction to a congress near you.

9. Kerry doesn't harp on about the "Axis of Evil", who have no connection to one another, are not aligned in any shape of form, and have made no pact to harm America.

10. Kerry doesn't surround himself with a bunch of PNAC neo-conservative wackos who are bent on world domination.

Bouns reason...

11. Kerry will let 9/11 die with dignity and not bring it up in an effort to scare the crap out of the country at every turn of the road. [/b][/quote]
I hate to get into this debate, but Lanny...your 10+ reasons boil down to this:

"He's not Bush."

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Sep 16 2004, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Sep 16 2004, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Sep 16 2004, 09:27 PM
Give me 10 reasons to elect Kerry.

1. Kerry didn't lie to the American people about WMD to get into Iraq.

2. Kerry hasn't run up a record deficit.

3. Kerry hasn't lost more than a million jobs more than have been created.

4. Kerry isn't a war monger focused on expanding the conflict into other threatres of war. He understands war is hell and doesn't want to subject innocent Americans to it first hand unless absolutely needed.

5. Kerry can say the word "nuclear" and doesn't commit atrocities against the english language every time he speaks.

6. Kerry hasn't sold the enviornment down the river in favor of big business.

7. Kerry doesn't have direct relationships with the family of the most wanted terrorist on earth.

8. Kerry doesn't have "Patriot Act II: We strip away more civil liberties" on the boards for introduction to a congress near you.

9. Kerry doesn't harp on about the "Axis of Evil", who have no connection to one another, are not aligned in any shape of form, and have made no pact to harm America.

10. Kerry doesn't surround himself with a bunch of PNAC neo-conservative wackos who are bent on world domination.

Bouns reason...

11. Kerry will let 9/11 die with dignity and not bring it up in an effort to scare the crap out of the country at every turn of the road. [/b][/quote]
10 I'm not Bush reasons. Nice job Lanny.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Just wondering Lurch...is CBS part of the Republican controlled media?

Wow.

I disagree with much of what you've said, but thanks for at least answering the question I posed.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Cube Inmate@Sep 16 2004, 10:03 PM
I hate to get into this debate, but Lanny...your 10+ reasons boil down to this:

"He's not Bush."

If that's the way you wish to look at it, then that is fine. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. George W. Bush has been the worst President of the United States in my lifetime and arguably in the history of the country. Just how many negative things can a guy do before people wake the hell up and realize he's an idiot (seriously, the man is one of the dumbest SOBs I've ever seen) surrounded by a bunch of un-elected neo-cons with an agenda to either drive this country into the ground while attempting to build a New World Order, or p*ss the world off so bad that they alienate the country or gang up and bring the war to America. I am not a Kerry fan at all. I think John McCain is the guy I would want as President as he is the best man of anyone mentioned for the job to date. Personally the thought of a McCain-Edwards ticket makes me smile. But given the choice that we have right now, I'll take Kerry-Edwards over Bush-Cheney any day of the week. The neo-cons are dangerous and the last thing you want is a bunch of fruitloops like them having the strongest military (and nookylur) arsenal at their whims. I'd rather have a moderate in office right now than a yokel with a bunch of hawks pushing the buttons. In short, I'll take the cardboard cut out over the blithering fool.

[Cowperson]

We probably only have to wait 24 hours for "2004 reasons to not vote for John Kerry."

Lets face it, neither guy is a prize.

Regarding unanimity of opinion in the media, which is it this time Lurch? The government controlled mainstream media supporting the Republicans or the Liberal Media out to get GW Bush?

There are people in this very thread who believe both to be true.

Cowperson

[troutman]

a McCain-Edwards ticket makes me smile

I think you know McCain is a Republican. Are you suggesting he would "cross the floor"?

[nfotiu]

I don't know man, I think he's not bush is a sound enough argument for me. I have disagreed with almost every single thing George Bush has done since he became president. I can't think of a single issue that I agree with him on. I think he has made this country and the world a worse place. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is a bad place to live, just that he has done everything he can to make it a worse place. If Kerry even took a slightly different side on any of the things a president has control over, he would be doing a better job in my eyes.

The world couldn't help but be a better place without Bush in power. I can't think of anything good he's done to even begin to offset the bad.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Sep 16 2004, 04:16 PM
Just how many negative things can a guy do before people wake the hell up and realize he's an idiot...

Well, how long have we kept the Liberals in power here for?

:boh: im sorry

[FlamesAddiction]

How about this reason:

Kerry is less likely to send your child off to die for a sick fascination of being a "war president", so that his friends can financially gain, or to cover up his own defiencies in governing.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Sep 16 2004, 10:06 PM
10 I'm not Bush reasons. Nice job Lanny.

And why are you voting for Bush then Dis? Is it the brilliant job he has done handling the economy? Is it the brilliant job he has done with foreign policy and turning the majority of the world against us? Is it the way he managed to keep a straight face (some what straight anyways) as he lied to the American people in regards to WMD? Is it the way he continues to promote a strong front while Iraq spins out of control? Is it the way he has says one thing yet does another? Is it the way he continually allows big busines to tread all over the little guy? Is it that he's such an eloquent speaker and gives you the confidence to find solutions to complex problems when he struggles to find uses for the complex words his handlers give him? Or is it because he's not John Kerry?

You know what's funny Dis. George W. Bush got elected for all the same reasons you're throwing out at people thinking of voting for Kerry. Bush wasn't Gore. Bush's campaign was a Seinfeld episode. It was a campaign about nothing. All he did was attack Gore and watch as Gore did nothing to protect himself. He's trying the same thing with Kerry, but his presidency has been such an unmitigated disaster that people are looking psat the dirty tricks this time and actually noticing the issues. Bush is an imbicle and doesn't deserve a second term. If the Democrats would dig up that dead mule that beat Ashcroft in Missouri (yes, its true people, John Ashcroft lost to a dead mule) I would think it would do a better job in the office of Present than the Village Idiot from Texas.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by troutman@Sep 16 2004, 10:19 PM
I think you know McCain is a Republican. Are you suggesting he would "cross the floor"?

I know McCain is a Republican. If he crosses the florr, then so be it. I would liek to see a ticket where the two best men for the job get nominated, regardless of party. I think America needs to put partisan politics behind it and focus on getting back to what made America great and not what makes America pathetic.

[Bingo]

I just can't believe how sensitive and emotional this election is in the United States ... it's just crazy.

I don't find Bush to be a prize either (much like Displaced's sentiments) but if I was American I'd vote Republican at a time like this, and wouldn't even consider Kerry.

I'm amazed how people can be so passionately anti-Bush for literally every reason under the Sun when Kerry has pretty much supported, then not supported, then supported, then not supported almost every single Bush policy.

Give me the straight shooter every time ... Kerry is a Chretian that actually speaks a recognizable human language.

[Lurch]

Regarding unanimity of opinion in the media, which is it this time Lurch? The government controlled mainstream media supporting the Republicans or the Liberal Media out to get GW Bush?

Not sure what you mean by this question, as I don't recall ever having said anything about media bias. For what it is worth, it is pretty clear to me that by and large, the US media is right-wing - at least the shows that are popular. Even CBS and the NY Times can only be described as moderate, IMO, relative to the rest of the world media.

Now, as to my actual point, sorry if it was not clear. I happen to get BBC news, and the questions they were asking in the lead-up to the war were dramatically different from the most critical US network, CBS. Given that Britain was actually involved with and supporting the war (the government) and their media is government owned, this was shocking to me. For example, have you ever seen a negative story about GE on NBC news. If you strictly watched US news, you got a very different set of information about Bush's war than if you watched news from a US ally. Further, once the war actually started, you got dramatically different stories from networks with 'embedded' reporters than from those without. And this does not even get into the degree to which the US Army controlled what embedded reporters were allowed to say, which was unprecedented.

Going another step, both Bush's supporters and detractors agree he has run the tightest ship of any White House in memory. The White House has controlled the agenda of press conferences and had fewer 'leaks' than any administration in memory. To me, this speaks to a media that has been cowed by the president rather than any great accomplishment for Bush.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Bingo@Sep 16 2004, 04:34 PM
I just can't believe how sensitive and emotional this election is in the United States ... it's just crazy.

I don't find Bush to be a prize either (much like Displaced's sentiments) but if I was American I'd vote Republican at a time like this, and wouldn't even consider Kerry.

I'm amazed how people can be so passionately anti-Bush for literally every reason under the Sun when Kerry has pretty much supported, then not supported, then supported, then not supported almost every single Bush policy.

Give me the straight shooter every time ... Kerry is a Chretian that actually speaks a recognizable human language.

Even if the straight shooter ran you straight into a brickwall?
The best politicians are the ones that go back and forth.
Mackenzie King was probably Canada's best Prime Minister.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Bingo@Sep 16 2004, 10:34 PM
Kerry is a Chretian that actually speaks a recognizable human language.

Did Chretien ever lie to Canadians to get them into an ILLEGAL military action where billions of dollars have been wasted and a thousand Canadians have been killed? Nope. Oh, and did Chretien ever surround himself with a bunch of neo-conservative idiots with a documented action plan for global domination? Nope. I could give a rats ass about Bush, the guy is an ignoramous. I care about getting Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and company the hell out of power before they get us into a bigger conflict with a country that actually DOES have WMD! I thought Reagan was nut job who had penchant for pushing the envelope, but these guys are way right of him. They need to be stopped before its too late, even if that means putting a milque toast President into the Whitehouse.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

A couple things about some of Kerry's flip-flopping:

1) People can change. I know this doesn't account for all Kerry's changed views on certain issues, but people are allowed to change. It's why I don't understand why comments made 10, 20, 30 years back can come back and haunt a politician in the present. Although some of Kerry's supposed changed stances have come in alot less time than 10 years, heh...
2) Regarding any bill to fight terror, or give the government more power to root out terror, etc, etc, imagine if he'd voted against those bills. Anyone that spoke out against Bush or voted against Bush was labeled as 'unpatriotic' or a terrorist sympathizer, among other things. He probably wouldn't be in this position now if he'd voted against some of the bills past after Sept. 11th. Nature of the Beast, I guess...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Sep 16 2004, 10:25 PM
How about this reason:

Kerry is less likely to send your child off to die for a sick fascination of being a "war president", so that his friends can financially gain, or to cover up his own defiencies in governing.

You actually believe stuff like that don't you?

Sad.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it's sad when people don't see it.