01-24-2006, 05:52 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Ralph Klein!!! That would be great. I can totally see him in a fist fight with Bush.
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01-24-2006, 06:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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How about Romeo Dallaire?
He's a well respected Liberal not associated with Chretien or Martin.
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01-24-2006, 06:46 PM
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Depending on how old you are or how long your memory is - Frank McKenna was one of the turncoats that supported the Charlottetown Accord. I think all the first ministers who supported CA were out of office in their next respective provincial ellections. Liberals might not want that hanging over the head of their next leader.
I think John Manley would make a good leader. Then again, I thought Paul Martin would be good so what do I know about Liberal politics
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01-24-2006, 06:50 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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I think all the first ministers who supported CA were out of office in their next respective provincial ellections.
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McKenna won three consecutive majorities before retiring as NB premier -- on his own accord -- exactly 10 years after first taking power.
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01-24-2006, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
McKenna won three consecutive majorities before retiring as NB premier -- on his own accord -- exactly 10 years after first taking power.
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01-24-2006, 07:04 PM
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Ben
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: God's Country (aka Cape Breton Island)
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McKenna also carried every seat in one of those elections (his first maybe?)
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01-24-2006, 07:09 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout
McKenna also carried every seat in one of those elections (his first maybe?)
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Yeah, in 1987 when he first came to power, his Liberals won every seat in the NB legislature. IIRC, that's a feat that has only occurred once in Canadian politics.
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01-24-2006, 07:12 PM
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Despite the egg on my face, the Charlottetown accord was not popular across the country, especially in Quebec and all the west, and barely squeeked by in Ontario. I think my point is still valid
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01-24-2006, 07:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
Despite the egg on my face, the Charlottetown accord was not popular across the country, especially in Quebec and all the west, and barely squeeked by in Ontario. I think my point is still valid
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Out of curiosity, what was Chretien's position on Charlottetown (I really don't know)? If he supported it, it didn't seem to prevent him from winning three majorities.
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01-24-2006, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
Out of curiosity, what was Chretien's position on Charlottetown (I really don't know)? If he supported it, it didn't seem to prevent him from winning three majorities.
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I don't know either, but given that it was Mulroney's baby, and Trudeau was one of the most outspoken opponents might be an indicator of Chretien's views - just a guess.
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01-25-2006, 02:10 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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I've heard good things about Michael Ignatieff. I don't know a whole lot about him, except he has written many books and articles and has quite the education. I've read some controversial things about him as well, so I'll have to wait and see how he pans out in the coming months.
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01-25-2006, 10:59 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Guys! History Proves that the next leader of the liberal Party will be a Francaphone. Since 1880, their leader has flip-flopped from Anglo to Franco. I would suggest you start reading up on Martin Cauchon.
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01-25-2006, 11:11 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Guys! History Proves that the next leader of the liberal Party will be a Francaphone. Since 1880, their leader has flip-flopped from Anglo to Franco. I would suggest you start reading up on Martin Cauchon.
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Belindeau Stronachieux
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01-25-2006, 11:20 AM
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Redundant Minister of Redundancy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Montreal
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Guys! History Proves that the next leader of the liberal Party will be a Francaphone. Since 1880, their leader has flip-flopped from Anglo to Franco. I would suggest you start reading up on Martin Cauchon.
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Pierre Pettigrew then?
Although he didn't do himself many favours by calling the Bloc a bunch of losers.
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01-25-2006, 12:39 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Guys! History Proves that the next leader of the liberal Party will be a Francaphone. Since 1880, their leader has flip-flopped from Anglo to Franco. I would suggest you start reading up on Martin Cauchon.
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I was saying this as well on election night when we were wondering who the next leader would be.
My guesses were either Cauchon or Denis Coderre. Both are former Chretien supporters and are very ingrained in the party system. Guys like McKenna, Ignatieff and the newer folk don't have the roots in the party to pull out a win like this. Maybe further down the line but not now when the party is reeling and weak.
My guesses would be either of those two, Rock or Manley.
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01-25-2006, 01:00 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Guys like McKenna, Ignatieff and the newer folk don't have the roots in the party to pull out a win like this.
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Ignatieff yes, but I disagree about McKenna. He was, afterall, a three-term premier of NB (yes, provincial wing of the party, but still), and apparently he's spent much of his time since leaving office establishing relations with senior Liberals in Ottawa as well as the money-movers on Bay Street.
The Liberals would be utterly stupid to choose anyone even remotely associated with Chretien as their new leader, which rules out Cauchon, Tobin, Rock, and Manley. If they're going to win the next election, they have to "rebrand" the party as still standing for the traditional liberal values that most Canadians want, but completely untainted by Chretien's scandals.
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01-25-2006, 01:28 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Denis Coderre? Mr. "Shane Doan is anti-french" himself?
Good luck to the Liberal party if he's the one elected leader...
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01-25-2006, 03:45 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Aug 2004
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The Liberals are going to elect a leader that can win Quebec back from the Bloc. Hell that's how the Liberals win, hell that's how any National party wins, they win Quebec.
The provincial and federal Liberal parties are very loosely associated. I could see McKenna having some clout if he was the leader of the Ontario provincial libs, NB just wont cut it. Right now he doesn't have the support of the party's mobilizers which is crucial.
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01-25-2006, 04:21 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: 30 minutes from the Red Mile
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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Who'll be the next Ambassador? Anyone taking bets? 
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