[PGT] Stars defeat Flames 6-1, March 3rd

[SutterBrother]

4-5 years from when we draft a 1st line center. Minimum.

Strap in.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Hopefully they're timing it just right.

I am getting the hunch that they'll draft the face of their rebuild in 2027. The piece that sets them off in the right direction.

And if the wheels come off in Vegas to boost that second pick, oh man.. that would be a godsend.

[UKflames]

There was always going to be a few rough losses, this was one of them.

Onto Thursday and do we get any trades before then or are we sitting players?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Some teams improve, some teams get worse...every year

Anaheim and the Sharks only look good because of the division though, they won't even be as good as the Flames last season points wise

And SJ is 12-4 in OT/SO, they have 2 less regulation wins than Calgary.

OT/SO tends to be a random stat year to year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

although you're probably right, i feel like if this lottery goes our way then we'll be better next year...maybe other teams will improve even more to cancel it out - who knows?

You're assuming whomever we pick will be a big contributor next year.

Very few players are big contributors the year after they are drafted. Most don't even play in the NHL. Schaefer was the big exception from last year.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

although you're probably right, i feel like if this lottery goes our way then we'll be better next year...maybe other teams will improve even more to cancel it out - who knows?

I don’t believe any picks at this years lottery draft will change the course of the team next season. Whoever they select regardless of 1st, 5th, etc is not going to impact them that much if at all in year one. They may not even be on the roster depending who’s selected. I would guess Calgary will be looking at another top pick next year at least before their trajectory from the bottom of the league is impacted.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think next year is the bottom. Which isn’t a bad thing….its a good draft

If they make some of the moves we anticipate at the deadline or in the offseason, I think next season the team could be in Canucks territory bad which probably is a good thing for the long term outlook.

[Bingo]

Thought Parekh was noticeable and mostly for the right reasons.

More engaged defensively, and really looked good getting to the middle and getting pucks through. Some great passes.

Was interesting to see him elevated over Weegar five on five and for the late powerplay.

He turned the puck over a few times badly, but you have to live with that as he gets accustomed to this level, and Huska did.

[Bingo]

Pace needed ...

Make playoffs ... 125 point pace.
NOT finish in the bottom 10 ... 116 point pace
NOT finish in the bottom 5 ... 78 point pace

Feels like Winnipeg is pulling away finally leaving 5 teams at the bottom.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

although you're probably right, i feel like if this lottery goes our way then we'll be better next year...maybe other teams will improve even more to cancel it out - who knows?

I think next year is worse because it'll be the first year we're truly in rebuild mode from start to finish... this will have an effect on the GAF meter of the players. Kadri and/or Coleman will be gone. Our vets will be older. I think the next two years after this one will be very bad... which is exactly what we need.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Thought Parekh was noticeable and mostly for the right reasons.

More engaged defensively, and really looked good getting to the middle and getting pucks through. Some great passes.

Was interesting to see him elevated over Weegar five on five and for the late powerplay.

He turned the puck over a few times badly, but you have to live with that as he gets accustomed to this level, and Huska did.

I think we can put to bed the whole "Huska doesn't like Parekh" angle that some posters like to trot out (or whatever their verbage is - ruining him, developing him poorly, etc). Parekh made some glaring mistakes, but he got put right back out there again.


Not only is his passing really noticeable, but he is fantastic at breaking up transitions. Ugly turnovers for sure, but yeah, growing pains.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The last 20 games are going to be hard to stay motivated for.

I will admit I have fallen asleep watching the be last 4 games since the break.

Not sure how this lineup gets any better next season.

I expect them to be better next year.

Only piece that will really hurt is losing Kadri. No one to replace him at all but otherwise it will not be impossible to improve the offense. We're second last in PP% and 2nd last in even strength shooting %. A lot of that is random luck and variance. Coronato should have had multiple goals over the last 4 games. He must be having nightmares. Add Gridin and Parekh to the PP and give them training camp to figure it out and we should improve substantial.

Defense has been in a blender all year with three rookies mixed in. Just having a consistent line up alone and the young guys growing should improve it.

Cooley will likely fall off but Wolf should rebound. Cooley is pretty much the only player on the team that's overachieving. You can't point to a player and say hes had a lucky year. That's very rare.

NCAA guys and this years pick are unlikely to make the team. But even adding full year of Gridin and Honzek. It's a young team that's been thrown in the blender all year. Its the same team coming back next year, they should improve. And all that is assuming they don't use their enormous amounts of cap space

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You're assuming whomever we pick will be a big contributor next year.

Very few players are big contributors the year after they are drafted. Most don't even play in the NHL. Schaefer was the big exception from last year.

yes, i am being hopeful that we are drafting top 2 and either of those guys can play next year and contribute....but agree if we don't draft in the top 2.

on a side note, Kindel is already contributing decently for the Pens and not sure anyone called that.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/2029197842359677048

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think next year is the bottom. Which isn’t a bad thing….its a good draft

Agreed - next year is the bottom.

It takes years to move out / replace all of the prior core (SJS took longer than the Flames did), it takes years to acquire new talent, and then it takes years for that talent to mature.

Once Coleman and Kadri are gone, the old core is largely eliminated (Huberdeau and Backlund aren't enough to affect anything).

With this year's draft and next year's draft (along with the acquisitions already made), the bulk of the talent acquisition will have been accomplished.

With those two items well in hand, the nose of the ship will be pointing upwards, even if the runway is still long.

25/26: painful
26/27: darkest for the on-ice product, but lots to be excited about
27/28: still lousy, but more exciting, and much of the new core will be on the ice
28/29: hopefully the rebuild has seeded well and the shape of the future is taking hold

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/2029197842359677048

God damn the Canucks are a tire fire.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

God damn the Canucks are a tire fire.

They are going to be unimaginably bad next year. They won't crack 60 points.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pace needed ...

Make playoffs ... 125 point pace.
NOT finish in the bottom 10 ... 116 point pace
NOT finish in the bottom 5 ... 78 point pace

Feels like Winnipeg is pulling away finally leaving 5 teams at the bottom.

We’ll be in the bottom 5 with Van, NYR, Chicago and StLouis. Final rankings will be a coin toss.

No one will catch Vancouver for last. They are mega bad.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

2nd last overall is within striking distance

It's not happening with all of Kadri, Coleman and Whitecloud still on the roster after the deadline, so here's hoping something happens in the next 24-48 hours.

Last night was bad, but it was the first game back from a road trip and all the negatives lined up playing one of the best teams in the league. Moving forward I highly doubt this becomes the norm unless the team sees a big sell off of vets.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think the Flames still finish 2nd last in the NHL this season even if they don't trade anyone out. They have the toughest (by far!) remaining schedule for anyone at the bottom, and currently sit exactly 2 points out of 2nd last place.


Trading Kadri + Coleman + something would probably give Vancouver a fight down the stretch, though unlikely based on the gap in points.