[Rumour] Flames closing in on signing Zary (3 yrs)

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

What I'm saying is a three-year deal right now buys exactly 0 UFA years. He can go to arb to force a one-year deal and then he's gone.

That doesn't happen very often. Flames could try and re-sign him a year early and get a sense of what he wants to do that summer. Trade value is higher at the lower AAV.

To buy UFA years, 5 years or longer to do that. My guess would be the AAV would be at least 40% higher.

Sign him 5 years and we could have a similar situation as Hanifin and Ras where they nix trades and refuse to sign with teams trading for them.

NTC can be negotiated once you hit UFA status

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I still think we have seen enough to take a chance on an 8 year deal. It wouldn't be the Coronato deal, because he hasn't shown that level of production, and there is some injury risk, but 8 X $6.25M would be a great compromise.

Players also strategize about current deals and next deals.

Coronato is a year younger and signed 7 years. He will be a UFA and 29 his next deal.

Zary is 23 and 8 years has him 31 and an UFA. I don't think he would do an 8-year deal and leave himself as a 31-year-old UFA

I could see 6 years, and probably around $6 mil. But add a M-NTC for the last 2 years.

3 years is ok for Zary as I could see a 7-year deal in 3 years and it only being $7-$8 mil depending on the salary cap and gives the Flames the option to go in a different direction as they develop players.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Players also strategize about current deals and next deals.

Coronato is a year younger and signed 7 years. He will be a UFA and 29 his next deal.

Zary is 23 and 8 years has him 31 and an UFA. I don't think he would do an 8-year deal and leave himself as a 31-year-old UFA

I could see 6 years, and probably around $6 mil. But add a M-NTC for the last 2 years.

3 years is ok for Zary as I could see a 7-year deal in 3 years and it only being $7-$8 mil depending on the salary cap and gives the Flames the option to go in a different direction as they develop players.

I would be OK with 6 X $6M.

[Royle9]

I'm hearing it could be slightly over 4M as players camp came down but CGY had to come up just a tad.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I would be OK with 6 X $6M.

I think 6 x 6 is ok too. But time will tell if 3 by 3.5-4 and what his next deal is or the return in a trade is vs that 6 x 6.

I would take 8 years as the 1st option, then 7. I'm not sure if 6 is better than 3 though. I still think Zary is a good player, but I doubt he plays his way into a huge deal, and we have lots of Zary potential coming.

I still think that the Flames bottom out soon too.

If you have players pass Zary, not sure if you want to pay him $6 plus to play 3rd line.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I still think we have seen enough to take a chance on an 8 year deal. It wouldn't be the Coronato deal, because he hasn't shown that level of production, and there is some injury risk, but 8 X $6.25M would be a great compromise.

Maybe, but I think Zary says no because he is betting on himself to earn much more.

[FlamesFaninEdmonchuck]

Not ideal if just over 4 is true. Rossi got 3x5 and he has shown a lot more IMO....

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'm hearing it could be slightly over 4M as players camp came down but CGY had to come up just a tad.

Low $4s seems about right, if Rossi just got 3 X $5

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FlamesFaninEdmonchuck

Not ideal if just over 4 is true. Rossi got 3x5 and he has shown a lot more IMO....

If he didn't get taken out at the knees last year I suspect we'd be having a very different conversation about Zary right now.

Honestly, he was on par with or better than (for a stretch) Coronato before he got injured last year.

[stemit14]

We’ll see how it turns out but I could see the motivation for Zary’s camp especially wanting 3 years.

1. Gives him an opportunity to prove himself (stay healthy and keep developing on pace to be a top 6 forward)
2. Gives him the flexibility to assess his opportunity in Calgary. He likely wants to play a big role (top six forward and ideally a center) to maximize his value. The coaching staff have gone through ebbs and flows with his usage and it seems like they see him more as a winger. If he feels like he’s not getting the right opportunities in the next 3 years, he can choose to sign a 1 year deal at the end of this contract or request a trade. It’s really not clear yet how much opportunity he’ll get this year or even next year because the team has so many forwards and coaches tend to prefer deferring to vets in centre roles rather than deal with the growing pains of young centers. He may not get a chance to be a top 3 center unless other players get injured or traded.

Ultimately, it could work out great for both sides though. Zary may find comfort playing wing and have a great 2 years and choose to sign a long term deal. Calgary will likely be happy to pay him what he is worth if he stays healthy and gets significant minutes.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If he didn't get taken out at the knees last year I suspect we'd be having a very different conversation about Zary right now.

Honestly, he was on par with or better than (for a stretch) Coronato before he got injured last year.

This.


And I think Zary is the better players then Coronato... assuming he can stay healthy.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'm hearing it could be slightly over 4M as players camp came down but CGY had to come up just a tad.

Some of us are more visual learners

[Sylvanfan]

Will be interesting to see the final numbers. When Rossi signed his deal for 3 at 5 per year someone mentioned the two players PPG numbers prior to last season. I do wonder if the difference here is that Zary had some injuries that took away some of his opportunity last year. Had he been healthier and played more of a full season and got in a groove to put up say 52 points in 78 games type of thing...would he be closer to Rossi on this contract?

[Locke]

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

What I'm saying is a three-year deal right now buys exactly 0 UFA years. He can go to arb to force a one-year deal and then he's gone.

Yeah, but everyone who brings this up, assumes the player wants to play a one year deal in his last season and take a lot of risk in losing out on the one big money long term deal he could sign if he does progress. Say Macho0978 numbers are correct or ball park and the final year's salary is 4.2 million. By that time the cap might be 118 million. Even Matthew Tkachuck didn't elect arbitration himself or just accept his one year 9 million dollar salary and say let me be a UFA in one year. The team took him to arbitration to put pressure on his side to get a longer term deal worked before trading him.

If Zary is sooo good in this next three years that he can Tkachuck the Flames....sign me up! I'd love to be able to have him build himself up to the point that he's worth a Weegar, Huberdeau (pre this contract) and a first.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its ok to trust Pagnotta now? lol

It's okay to trust a hockey reporter if/when they report things that are of our liking. When it's not of our liking, then we should not trust them.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by activeStick

It's okay to trust a hockey reporter if/when they report things that are of our liking. When it's not of our liking, then we should not trust them.

This is good advice. I also recommend the same for Doctor "suggestions".

Don't eat all that pizza - I will eat all that pizza.
Have more segs with your wife - Well dear, the Doctor says so.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

He will be 26 on July 1 so no.

How does arbitration fit in with this? He'll have arbitration rights after this contract, right? Theoretically, could he file for arb, accept whatever decision comes in, and then be UFA in the following offseason?

EDIT: See that has been addressed above and is a possibility.

[Royle9]

**update**
Numbers are still going back and forth, CGY really using those comparables when it comes to the bridge AAV.

[Finger Cookin]

Craig "The Calculator" Conroy