[Rumour] Andersson confirms he turned down a "very good" offer from another team

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't want Andersson on the team come October.

Don't care how good of a professional he is, he's not a Calgary Flame anymore. He clearly has unreasonable contract demands to stay in Calgary (just like Lindholm, before signing for less elsewhere), and if they were reasonable/team-friendly demands, he'd be signed and here for a long time because Conroy has clearly spoken about how much he likes Raz.

He's not a Flame in my eyes. If the Flames are trying to build a culture like what Florida has, that starts with players who want to sign here on team-friendly contracts to help build team success, and Andersson isn't doing that - and it's no slight on him, it's his career and his family's life - and that's the most important thing for him.

As a fan? I don't want to see the Flames go through another year like they did with Lindholm/Hanifin, and I don't think any sort of 'being a good pro' dissuades me from that notion as a fan. He's been a good Flame, but that time is over. No hard feelings, he was a great draft pick and a good Flame. His age, our organizational strength on D, and seemingly non-friendly contract demands make this is clear cut in my eyes.

Couldn’t agree more.

For the team Andersson is signing another non star to retirement contract. I said trade him last year, i just dont see him aging well.

For him? Mo money mo money mo money? Certainly a good chunk of the equation but it seems families are having more and more sway on where guys go or stay.

[D as in David]

I'm not sure it is clear in the article whether the "very good offer" is the return the Flames would have received or the contract offer for Andersson to sign.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I'm not sure it is clear in the article whether the "very good offer" is the return the Flames would have received or the contract offer for Andersson to sign.

I understood the quote as, the offer (contract)

[Monahammer]

Should have traded him in dec 2024. Yes jiri, even for that return.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Let’s say the offers were for a 2nd and a b prospect
Should they have taken that type of deal?

You take it and run. Flames with a full refresh.

[868904]

Originally Posted by BigThief

King's players have tended to be in the Manhattan Beach area over the years. There is nothing dodgy about Manhattan Beach

Anze Kopitar's home
https://www.dailybreeze.com/2023/10/...igh-tech-pool/

Even when they do charity work, it's in Manhattan beach

https://twitter.com/user/status/https://x.com/LAKings/status/1762926896160096669

Phillip Danault wasn't looking for an apartment Lincoln Heights or Leimert Park
https://www.latimes.com/sports/hocke...nault-new-home

It’s also about taxes and the type of #### they try to teach your kids in school. I also wouldn’t my kids growing up around Hollywood children.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

It’s also about taxes and the type of #### they try to teach your kids in school. I also wouldn’t my kids growing up around Hollywood children.

Like history and science.

LOL at "Hollywood children". Like who?

Boebert's kid? Oh wait.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Let’s say the offers were for a 2nd and a b prospect
Should they have taken that type of deal?

Can you point me to where you saw those offers?

Worse players (with term remaining as well) were traded for significantly more than that at the deadline. While there no guarantee those offers were there for Andersson, a 2nd and B prospect seems unlikely to be the best. Unless of course you put Andersson in the same category as Brian Dumoulin who returned a 2nd and B prospect which I would say Andersson is the much better and younger player.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by 868904

It’s also about taxes and the type of #### they try to teach your kids in school. I also wouldn’t my kids growing up around Hollywood children.

Good Grief. Get off facebook.

[Royle9]

Deals been on the table since the season ended, both sides were far apart.
Nothings changed.
Still see him being moved.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by BigThief

King's players have tended to be in the Manhattan Beach area over the years. There is nothing dodgy about Manhattan Beach

Anze Kopitar's home
https://www.dailybreeze.com/2023/10/...igh-tech-pool/

$37 million with no real view of the beach, yeah no thanks

[trackercowe]

It's just the Flames luck that we have the one player who doesn't want to play in Los Angeles. The Kings would be near the top of the list for every other player, just not Rasmus

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

There are good neighborhoods in all major cities. It just takes research and talking to players with families living there.

Being moved around is the territory being a pro athlete comes with. The idea is you make your money, try to win, and put down roots when you're done your playing career (when you'll still be relatively young). Until that point there's a certain amount of sucking it up and just putting your nose down thats required, because its ultimately an entertainment business.

Players who are adamant that they can and should be able to have their cake and eat it too (playing career lifestyle and long term security) are kind of being snowflakes. Their predecessors sucked it up for the provilege of raking in the dough they did (which was mych less than players now). It doesn't help that it comes at the expense of a franchise that drafted you, took care of you and paid you handsomely for years, on top of that.

When did some of these players lose awareness of what they signed up for when going down this path? It's a business, not a real estate agency. And once again, these players can afford to give themselves a very nice lifestyle even in the least desirable locations in the league (which LA is not).

McDavid and Draisaitl put up with living in that wasteland up the highway. I dont think LA would kill you, Ras.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Ya I wouldn’t really want to move my family to LA either. SJ and Anaheim maybe, but LA is kinda dodgy…

Rich people don’t live in the dodgy parts of LA. The wealthy parts of LA are as fancy as it gets.

https://moneyinc.com/50-richest-neig...ds-in-the-u-s/

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Can you point me to where you saw those offers?

Worse players (with term remaining as well) were traded for significantly more than that at the deadline. While there no guarantee those offers were there for Andersson, a 2nd and B prospect seems unlikely to be the best.

I didn't say I did. It's a thought exercise to push back on the notion that they should have traded him when we don't know the prices. People seem to state that very strongly, but I don't know how one can do that when one doesn't know what was offered.

So when people say they should have traded him at the trade deadline, it means nothing, unless you are also establishing what your minimum price is/was.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Players who are adamant that they can and should be able to have their cake and eat it too (playing career lifestyle and long term security) are kind of being snowflakes. Their predecessors sucked it up for the provilege of raking in the dough they did (which was mych less than players now). It doesn't help that it comes at the expense of a franchise that drafted you, took care of you and paid you handsomely for years, on top of that.

The reason the players today have the options they do is because their predecessors fought to have them because they didn't like being passed around like a commodity.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't want Andersson on the team come October.

Don't care how good of a professional he is, he's not a Calgary Flame anymore. He clearly has unreasonable contract demands to stay in Calgary (just like Lindholm, before signing for less elsewhere), and if they were reasonable/team-friendly demands, he'd be signed and here for a long time because Conroy has clearly spoken about how much he likes Raz.

He's not a Flame in my eyes. If the Flames are trying to build a culture like what Florida has, that starts with players who want to sign here on team-friendly contracts to help build team success, and Andersson isn't doing that - and it's no slight on him, it's his career and his family's life - and that's the most important thing for him.

As a fan? I don't want to see the Flames go through another year like they did with Lindholm/Hanifin, and I don't think any sort of 'being a good pro' dissuades me from that notion as a fan. He's been a good Flame, but that time is over. No hard feelings, he was a great draft pick and a good Flame. His age, our organizational strength on D, and seemingly non-friendly contract demands make this is clear cut in my eyes.

If the team expect to build a team only with those willing to sign team friendly contracts - that's going to be tough. Players have every right to maximize their earnings.

And I don't think it's about him having an unreasonable contract demand. It's about if what the Flames are willing to pay, and what he would sign to bypass his biggest chance at free agency, and most important free agency period.

If there is enough overlap between those two sides, you make a deal.
If there isn't you don't. But that doesn't mean that either side is being unreasonable.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

There are good neighborhoods in all major cities. It just takes research and talking to players with families living there.

Being moved around is the territory being a pro athlete comes with. The idea is you make your money, try to win, and put down roots when you're done your playing career (when you'll still be relatively young). Until that point there's a certain amount of sucking it up and just putting your nose down thats required, because its ultimately an entertainment business.

Players who are adamant that they can and should be able to have their cake and eat it too (playing career lifestyle and long term security) are kind of being snowflakes. Their predecessors sucked it up for the provilege of raking in the dough they did (which was mych less than players now). It doesn't help that it comes at the expense of a franchise that drafted you, took care of you and paid you handsomely for years, on top of that.

When did some of these players lose awareness of what they signed up for when going down this path? It's a business, not a real estate agency. And once again, these players can afford to give themselves a very nice lifestyle even in the least desirable locations in the league (which LA is not).

McDavid and Draisaitl put up with living in that wasteland up the highway. I dont think LA would kill you, Ras.

He's given the team that drafted him years of service. He's no earned the right to have more say in where he wants to play. Why should he not take advantage of that?

I don't think that makes him a snowflake.

I wouldn't move my kid to LA either.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I didn't say I did. It's a thought exercise to push back on the notion that they should have traded him when we don't know the prices. People seem to state that very strongly, but I don't know how one can do that when one doesn't know what was offered.

It’s a silly thought exercise because it isn’t close to what market prices were at the time. We can look at the prices paid and that gives the best insight to his value (at that time).

Brian Dumoulin had a return of a 2nd and a B prospect.

Jones, Walman, Laughton and Carlo all returned a 1st +. Rasmus would likely fall in this group.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the team expect to build a team only with those willing to sign team friendly contracts - that's going to be tough. Players have every right to maximize their earnings.

And I don't think it's about him having an unreasonable contract demand. It's about if what the Flames are willing to pay, and what he would sign to bypass his biggest chance at free agency, and most important free agency period.

If there is enough overlap between those two sides, you make a deal.
If there isn't you don't. But that doesn't mean that either side is being unreasonable.

All true. But given where the Flames are in the rebuild cycle there is never going to be an overlap that makes sense. Just like it is unlikely we are going to be the last ones at the table for big UFA signings or trade acquisitions. A little self awareness by the team and they can be more proactive rather then letting the players dictate the direction we take.