[News] Ducks to name Joel Quenneville as next Head Coach

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Just look at the number of convicted felons who take the field to play in the NFL every Sunday.

This feels pretty racist

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No. #### that. Quenneville was one of the people told directly and decided that trying to win a ####ing sporting event was more important.


No amount of monetary punishment is enough. He shouldn't be welcomed back in the league. He covered up a sexual assault.

I don't condone action... assault or covering. It's all f ed up.

But I believe in second chance under certain circumstances


Also see your point in sense that it's a privilege to be in nhl.

He is great coach. Though

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Just out of curiosity, how many do you think that is?

Hard to find exact numbers. But there’s a database:

https://nflarrest.net/#ByYear

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

This feels pretty racist

Why?

[ResAlien]

Huh arrests and convictions are the same thing. Good to know. Also what does NFL players being arrested have to do with an NHL coach who knowingly turned a blind eye to sexual assault? Interesting shift of the conversation.

[PepsiFree]

Quenneville was a good coach. Hard to say if he is now..

He hadn’t taken a team past the first round in the previous 5 full seasons he coached and it’s been 10 years since he was able to do that from this point. He’ll also be 67 years old by the time the season starts, which makes him the oldest coach in the league and a full 10 years older than most of the other coaches.

Imagine a team hiring Darryl Sutter again at this point. Seems kind of silly.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I don't condone action... assault or covering. It's all f ed up.

But I believe in second chance under certain circumstances


Also see your point in sense that it's a privilege to be in nhl.

He is great coach. Though

Does Kyle Beach get a second chance? Do any of the other victims of Brad Aldrich get do-overs?


I'm not saying we put Quenneville to death. I'm not saying we put Quenneville in jail (though I am not saying if someone made that case I'd say no).

He doesn't get a second chance here. He shouldn't anyways. Again. He knowingly covered it up. He should be done.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Quenneville was a good coach. Hard to say if he is now..

He hadn’t taken a team past the first round in the previous 5 full seasons he coached and it’s been 10 years since he was able to do that from this point. He’ll also be 67 years old by the time the season starts, which makes him the oldest coach in the league and a full 10 years older than most of the other coaches.

Imagine a team hiring Darryl Sutter again at this point. Seems kind of silly.

He is better than what they have now?

Zito took tre to cleaners. And took florida to next level. With huberdeau would they have done it? Arguably no i don't care who is coaching

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Does Kyle Beach get a second chance? Do any of the other victims of Brad Aldrich get do-overs?


I'm not saying we put Quenneville to death. I'm not saying we put Quenneville in jail (though I am not saying if someone made that case I'd say no).

He doesn't get a second chance here. He shouldn't anyways. Again. He knowingly covered it up. He should be done.

Fair...

We dont 100 percent in and outs. What role did he play... i can't say i am well versed but if your neighbour is sleeping with your wife or staff sleeping together what do you know. Open minded.. i reserve jusgement

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Huh arrests and convictions are the same thing. Good to know. Also what does NFL players being arrested have to do with an NHL coach who knowingly turned a blind eye to sexual assault? Interesting shift of the conversation.

Sigh. I’m pointing out that winning trumps ethics in professional sports. The NFL has had some high-profile cases, so that came to mind. But if it will put your suspicious mind to rest, you can add cycling and pro baseball to the list. I could add the NBA as well, but no doubt that would be construed as racist too by some of you excitable types.

The incentives in professional sports - financial, status, legacy - are all towards winning. And fans are culpable. We lionize the team that wins the Cup, not the team that iced the best group of guys.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why?

You claimed a sport with a large Black players has lots of felons without any evidence.

While also defending a bunch of old white men who covered up a crime.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

You claimed a sport with a large Black players has lots of felons without any evidence.

While also defending a bunch of old white men who covered up a crime.

The two most popular pro sports in North America have mostly Black players. So I guess that means those leagues are off the table for criticism?

I didn’t defend anyone. Someone remarked that Bowman and Quenneville paid no price. That’s not true - they did pay a price. You can believe it wasn’t a high enough price while at the same time recognizing it wasn’t zero. Or maybe you can’t - you don’t strike me as someone who does nuance.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Fair...

We dont 100 percent in and outs. What role did he play... i can't say i am well versed but if your neighbour is sleeping with your wife or staff sleeping together what do you know. Open minded.. i reserve jusgement

We know what role he played. He was told directly what happened and agreed that the best thing to do was make it go away.

This isn't anything remotely close to staff sleeping together, or infidelity between two equal standing adults. This was a rape. That you even tried to make these comparisons is some absolutely repugnant ####.

This was a man (Aldrich) who had control over a young man's future and used that to leverage him. The young man then came forward and the people who should have been in place to protect him tried to hide it.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

We know what role he played. He was told directly what happened and agreed that the best thing to do was make it go away.

This isn't anything remotely close to staff sleeping together, or infidelity between two equal standing adults. This was a rape. That you even tried to make these comparisons is some absolutely repugnant ####.

This was a man (Aldrich) who had control over a young man's future and used that to leverage him. The young man then came forward and the people who should have been in place to protect him tried to hide it.

I am not here to argue with you I agree to disagree.

Also not making a comparison just saying sometimes we don't know whole story. More often than not. I apologize if that's what you felt.

You seem deadset on this. I don't have time to argue with ppl on internet. I am open minded. You do you. Have a good day

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hard to find exact numbers. But there’s a database:

https://nflarrest.net/#ByYear

1) that is arrests not convictions
2) the vast majority of those are misdemeanors not felonies
3) how many of those players are actually playing (how many were cut? how many have retired?)

The "There are 800 convicted felons playing in the NFL" started as a pretty thinly veiled racist "stat" during during the BLM protests and kneeling during the anthem, and used these exact stats as "Proof".

So yeah, saying "Just look at the number of convicted felons who take the field to play in the NFL every Sunday" does have a bit of tone to it.

Certainly the NFL isn't perfect, and every league looks the other way if a player is good enough.

You said yourself, "Hard to find exact numbers", so what do you think the number is?

If you really don't know, why bring it up?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Does Kyle Beach get a second chance? Do any of the other victims of Brad Aldrich get do-overs?


I'm not saying we put Quenneville to death. I'm not saying we put Quenneville in jail (though I am not saying if someone made that case I'd say no).

He doesn't get a second chance here. He shouldn't anyways. Again. He knowingly covered it up. He should be done.

I find it incredible an organization would even make this decision. Is he going to be the second coach hired and fired before he even coaches a game?

Just insane. Is he leaps and bounds better than any other options out there? Like, actively, not by resume. It makes no sense to me why you’d go this route and open yourself to media and fan criticism.

[Geeoff]

This is just what the culture in the NHL is and I don't see it changing. In fact, society as a whole is seemingly moving more in this direction

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I am not here to argue with you I agree to disagree.

Also not making a comparison just saying sometimes we don't know whole story. More often than not. I apologize if that's what you felt.

You seem deadset on this. I don't have time to argue with ppl on internet. I am open minded. You do you. Have a good day

Jesus ####ing christ, my guy. We know that Brad Aldritch used his position as video coach to pressure Kyle Beach into doing sexual things he did not want to do.

This was brought to the attention of the Chicago Blackhawks leadership. Quenneville himself was directly informed, at the very latest, after the Chicago Blackhawks beat the Sharks in 2010. Even after this meeting, even after sweeping all of this under the rug. Even after quietly destroying a young man's career to make this go away. Quenneville wrote a positive ####ing work review for Brad Aldrich.

We know what role Quenneville played. We know what he did. This isn't guessing. This isn't supposition. This isn't blaming him for things he may not have known or done.

He helped cover up a sexual assault. He should not be welcome back to the NHL. He shouldn't be back in charge of young men, like the one he helped to ruin the career of, ever again.

You're choosing to disagree with fact to justify your "He deserves a second chance" position and it makes me sick.

[devo22]

sucks, but I can't say I'm surprised. The league is proving time and time again that it a.) is a god damn old boys club, and b.) will happily look the other way when it comes to these things. After Bowman got hired, it was only a matter of time before Q came back. Damn shame, but that's the rotten culture that starts at the top.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Jesus ####ing christ, my guy. We know that Brad Aldritch used his position as video coach to pressure Kyle Beach into doing sexual things he did not want to do.

This was brought to the attention of the Chicago Blackhawks leadership. Quenneville himself was directly informed, at the very latest, after the Chicago Blackhawks beat the Sharks in 2010. Even after this meeting, even after sweeping all of this under the rug. Even after quietly destroying a young man's career to make this go away. Quenneville wrote a positive ####ing work review for Brad Aldrich.

We know what role Quenneville played. We know what he did. This isn't guessing. This isn't supposition. This isn't blaming him for things he may not have known or done.

He helped cover up a sexual assault. He should not be welcome back to the NHL. He shouldn't be back in charge of young men, like the one he helped to ruin the career of, ever again.

You're choosing to disagree with fact to justify your "He deserves a second chance" position and it makes me sick.

Thanks for posting this. I think in some way I was minimizing this in my own mind, but thinking about it today and reading the details over again, I can’t help but feel that we forget too often that working in the NHL is a privilege, not a right, and (just generally speaking) I think a lot of us and myself included can be a lot better about holding people accountable and not accepting the idea that someone has “paid their dues” when they take a break after doing something that should be forever disqualifying from having the privilege of being in a position of power ever again.

There’s no way back for Beach. The harm he was caused, and the harm others were caused because of these individuals is irreversible. That’s not to say these victims can’t go on and live different, fulfilling lives, but those lives will always be impacted by what was allowed to happen to them. The opportunity (both the career opportunity and the opportunity to just live a normal life without having been victimized) is gone forever.

So, I think it’s entirely fair that the individuals who directly enabled that to happen should experience the same forever loss of opportunity. And that includes losing the privilege to ever work in the NHL in a position of power over others again.