Guess the next contracts

[Paulie Walnuts]

Coronato 8x7
Wolf 5x8
Zary 2x5
Bahl 6x4.5
Klapka 2x2.15

[flambers]

Coronato: $5.25M x 4

Wolf: $6.25M x 3

Zary $3.2M x 2

Frost $3.75M x 2

Klapka: $1.2M x 2

[FlamesAddiction]

Wolf still has another year on his current deal, so it makes it harder to predict. If he is lights out full on Vezina candidate next season, I could see a deal going above $10m AAV. If he takes a step back, that will obviously change things as well.

[flambers]

Its risky to sign any goalie to a long term contract, in my view the Flames will stay away from a lengthy term.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by blankall

I agree that a lot of players are getting long-term "potential contracts", but how many teams have signed anywhere near $8x8 to a player with a single NHL season and 47 points under their belt?

When agents and managements all know where the cap is in three years, you're going to see deals longer than 3 years involving UFA years for the player get indexed to similar cap increase projections.

If a guy like Coronato signs his next deal and it's longer than 5 years, it's easily going to be north of $6.5M AAV. Now whether management is convinced they want to lock him up long term after this season, or if they want him to prove it for another 2-3 seasons, is anybody's guess. There's risk that he busts if you sign him long term now, there's risk that he's going to be even more expensive to sign long term in 2-3 seasons.

I'll throw my guesses in the ring:

Coronato: 2 years, $7M total. $2.5M in signing bonuses.
Wolf: not signed to an extension this offseason
Zary: 2 years, $5.5M total. $1.5M in signing bonuses
Frost: 5 years, $30M total. $10M in signing bonuses
Klapka: 2 years, $3M total. No signing bonuses
Bahl: 6 years, $37.5M total. $15M in signing bonuses

These should be embarrassing to look back on before long.

[Goriders]

Coronato 3x4
Wolf 3x$5.5
Zary 3x$3.5
Frost 3x$3.5
Klapka: 2x$1.75
Kirkland 1x$1.25
Bahl 3x$3.5
Hanley 1x$2.5
Vladar 2x$3

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Wolf is going to want to be paid. He got 7th-rounder money the last time around.

He might not even want to stay here long term (there... I said it).

[Badgers Nose]

Coronato $5M x 5
Wolf will bet on himself to be a Vezina candidate next season. He won't sign early.
Zary $4M x 5
Frost $4M x 4
Klapka: $2M x 1
Kirkland $2 x 1
Bahl $4 x 4
Vladar $3 x 2

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Coronato $5M x 5
Wolf will bet on himself to be a Vezina candidate next season. He won't sign early.
Zary $4M x 5
Frost $4M x 4
Klapka: $2M x 1
Kirkland $2 x 1
Bahl $4 x 4
Vladar $3 x 2

The Kirkland, Bahl and Vladar deals are steals.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by FBI

You think that little for Zary? Not sold on Zary yet?

I'm absolutely sold on Zary. Love the player, and I don't think those injuries will derail his career. In fact, I see him as a 60-65 point center at his peak.

I just don't see a long term number that would make sense for his camp. The injuries this year pretty much force him into a bridge, one that will probably be in the $3-3.5M range, but I can see it being anything from $2.5M to $4M.

Also forgot Bahl: $4.75M x 5.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ballin

Why are signing Morgan frost to six year deals here?

I like Coronato a lot but 7. whatever feels high. Maybe that's just the old me and I understand that 7 mill is not what it used to be but still feels high.

I'm really really weary of signing Morgan frost to anything more than a couple of years.

In a lot of ways this is an important summer as you hope to have some top end talent acquired through the next two drafts and need money to sign those players when the time comes.

he's 25, you want to walk him to FA? At the numbers discussed you do that all day long

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Kirkland, Bahl and Vladar deals are steals.

Kirkland at $2M is a steal?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he's 25, you want to walk him to FA? At the numbers discussed you do that all day long

He turns 26 on May 14, we will not be signing him to a 1-year deal.

Probably won't be less than 4 years.

If we can't get a deal done long term, he will be traded.

[ballin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he's 25, you want to walk him to FA? At the numbers discussed you do that all day long

I think us as a fan base are still a bit traumatized from this scenario but Morgan Frost is not a player i worry about walking to free agency. Lets not forget the type of player he is, he disappeared for what 25 games this year without a goal down the stretch? I like Morgan Frost and i think there is potential for a good hockey player there, but by no means is he a good hockey player right now and I for one dont want to hand 4-8 year contracts to guys just because of age.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he's 25, you want to walk him to FA? At the numbers discussed you do that all day long

Frost has certainly showed potential, but Philly couldn't wait to get rid of him and Farabee.

While they looked good at times, they had a serious lack of production.

Go short term with Frost and see if he improves. If he doesn't, he's likely nor long for the Flames. If he does, it will cost you more.

I guess the question for Conroy is how certain is he that he will be a viable player. If he's pretty certain, he'll go longer term.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Kirkland at $2M is a steal?

Paulie was alluding to the fact that OP forgot to put 'M' at the end of those prices. So, not 2 million dollars, two dollars.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Kirkland at $2M is a steal?

Yeah he's getting closer to league minimum if he wants a one way.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Paulie was alluding to the fact that OP forgot to put 'M' at the end of those prices. So, not 2 million dollars, two dollars.

I must have forgotten PW was perfect himself.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Coronato - His camp will want 4 years to take him to UFA which won't be acceptable. Only 1 year so still unproven to an extent. But, man, does he look like a legit scorer. I think the Flames want the 8 years. I'll say 8 years by $7MM, but wouldn't be surprised if Coronato wants, and gets, a bridge so he can get 35 goals and go for the bigger bag.

Zary - Injuries set him back, but he's proven to be a 0.5 ppg. 2 years @ $3MM.

Bahl - Only a year away from UFA. He is solid and looks like the perfect fit for Parekh. 8 years @ $6MM

Frost - I like him. Center. Good at faceoffs. Can actually get zone entry on th PP. Things the Flames don't have in abundance. They can't lose him, but Frost wants UFA before 30 and the Flames cave. 4 years x $6.5MM

Klapka - Flames compared him to Protas, but he's not there yet. 3 years walks him to UFA, so he gets the Pospisil deal. 2 years @ $1MM

Wolf - I'd personally go all in on this kid and if they want him for 8 years they'll have to show him some money. Pretty risky bet and goalie bets have been lost many many times. 8 years @ $8MM. Looks like a bargain in year 1.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by blankall

How many NHL goalies are legit starters capable of starting 50+ games, who don't suck. Dustin Wolf is getting that kind of a contract, because, among goalies with 40+ games, his stats are top 10. He's tied for 6th in Save Percentage and he was 14th in GAA (despite playing on an inconsistent team).

With cap inflation and the way goalie contracts have been going, I'd definitely lock up Wolf at $8 million long-term. I actually doubt he takes that, and my guess is he bridges himself, waits for the cap to go up an immense amount in 2-3 years, and then demands the big bucks.

Yeah I think the bridge route is more likely. I get his track record in junior and the AHL, and his first full year was solid. But NHL history is littered with goalies who did it for a year or two but couldn't sustain it over the long hall. See: Skinner, S.