Would you rather? - With Results (bye bye Rooney)

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

Really depends if you want to bottom out for a pick or try and be competitive while still building for the future. Because the flames ownership will never let us bottom out, I will go with the latter.

1. Sign Anderson - cap is going up, he is a great player, our defense is already shallow, worry about the later years of the contract later, there is always ways to get out of them and the rising cap makes this less of a risk. All the people saying to trade him to make room in the top 4... there is already room in the top 4 and lots of it. IMO right now we have 2 bonafide top 4 defensemen in Rasmus and Weegs. Bahl is 4-5, and the rest are 6-7s or arguable not even NHL quality Dmen. There is already one spot wide open, and if any 2 of our young studs pushed Bahl to the 3rd pair, then GREAT. But right now none of our D prospects have proven anything at the NHL level, and if they can't push some other guys down the line-up, especially with our shallow D depth, then they don't deserve a spot.

2. Trade Coleman if there is a market and you get something of substance back for him, if not keep him. You need good solid professionals to mentor young kids. His cap hit isn't very high and it won't be an issue until we are a cap team and he'll be off the books by then.

3. Backs is retiring a flame, and when healthy is a great 3rd line center.

4. Fire rooney into the sun, this guy is possession black hole, not sure why he was even on the roster after the first 20 games.

5. Go after serviceable top 4 D that can munch minutes, so we don't have Hanley quality players anywhere near the top 4. Nothing long term or too expensive.

6. Keep Pachal - perfect 6-7 who can bring an edge when you need it.

7. Trade Bean for a 7th or future considerations

8. Let Hanley walk (UFA)

9. See Bean

10. Parekh does not belong in junior. If he is eligible for the AHL(not sure), then it's up to him in camp and the first 10 games of the season to earn a spot. Assuming he shows well. Keep him in the NHL, sheltered on the 3rd pairing but running the number 1 PP, until he shows he can take on better matchups. If he doesn't got the goods, he belongs in the AHL. Juniors is a waste of time, he has done everything he can there, he needs to be playing against men.

[Mathgod]

1. Keep Andersson for now, he can be a mentor to help transition our D prospects into the NHL. That said, only sign him if you can lock him up at a reasonable price (6x6 sounds about right). Otherwise, move him at or before trade deadline.

2/3. Keep them for now, but keep eyes open for opportunities to move them for decent returns. Similar to above, they can be mentors for the young guys.

4. Move on from Rooney. He doesn't bring much to the table.

5. Fine with UFA short term signings, nothing long term. Look to sign younger players with upside, not expensive 30-somethings.

6. Keep Pachal for now. Maybe he has upside, but he has to prove it. Give him a chance.

7. Move on from Bean unless the coaches see something in him that I haven't seen.

8. Bring Hanley back on a 1 year deal.

9. 1 year left on Miromanov's deal, keep him but don't extend him.

10. The NHL is where Parekh belongs.

[Inferno099]

1. Trade Andersson in the off season or sign him for something reasonable like 7x7 or 6x6?

Trade Andersson. He loves the city, Flames hang on too long and Conroy shouldn't block the top 4 for guys like Brusztewicz or Parekh. Let them learn! I'd rather young guys learn and make mistakes than guys who make mistakes regularly or not good enough being on the roster.

2. Trade Coleman or have him be a staple on the 3rd4th line?

Keep Coleman. salary floor.

3. Trade Backlund or have him be a staple on the 3rd/4th line?

If interest trade him we keep our captains always past time where we could get a good return. Likely past due again. But I love him since day 1 when he was learning the ropes and poster was always saying each year was his last.

4. Keep Rooney or replace him with someone from the farm?

Let Rooney walk. Morton or Kirkland! If Kirkland recovers I love his energy and SO.

5. Stay quiet or go after a UFA?

Go after a UFA for salary floor if needed otherwise lets get Kearns or others up on big club.

6. Keep Pachal or trade him?

Keep Pachal

7. Keep Bean or trade him?

Trade him. Let's get a wrangler instead

8. Keep Hanley or trade him?

Trade him. Let's get a wrangler instead to learn or pair him with Parekh.

9. Keep Miromanov or trade him?

replace him

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL or send back to junior?

Keep Parekh. He has dominated junior 2 years Better for him to learn, fail and improve.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is all contingent on my strategies to foster young player development and try to bottom out for real next year with McKenna available in the draft.

1. Trade Andersson in the off season or sign him for something reasonable like 7x7 or 6x6?

Trade Andersson. He has moments, and he sure does give it his all and loves the city, but I don't want him blocking the top 4 for guys like Brusztewicz or Parekh.

2. Trade Coleman or have him be a staple on the 3rd4th line?

Keep Coleman. Very good veteran to have to teach the kids how to play. 2 more years at about $5 million for what he brings is solid, and we need some larger salaries to make the floor.

3. Trade Backlund or have him be a staple on the 3rd/4th line?

Is this a serious question? Keep Backlund until he retires. Might be after next year based on some of the decline we saw this year. Maybe another 1 year contract after this one.

4. Keep Rooney or replace him with someone from the farm?

Let Rooney walk. He gets beat up on a bit too much, but he's the very definition of "replacement level player". Let's replace him with a young guy that might flourish. He is already 31 after all.

5. Stay quiet or go after a UFA?

Go after a UFA in the similar strategy to Mantha this year. Nothing long term unless they are a truly great player. Get someone who could be productive that you might be able to flip at the deadline for a draft pick.

6. Keep Pachal or trade him?

Keep Pachal for the duration of his extension, but that's probably it. I like him overall. He's tough, physical, clears the net and corners well, and skates surprisingly well too. He doesn't really add any offense, but is a good partner for a younger, less physically developed offensive d-man to partner with. He also doesn't make a lot so you can bench or waive him if the lineup dictates.

7. Keep Bean or trade him?

Trade him. This one is an easy decision. I think he has physical tools (skating, passing, a little bit of a shot) but he is prone to wildly unintelligent coverage decisions and really struggles with physical play in the corners. He's replacement level for me.

8. Keep Hanley or trade him?

This one is tough, but I think you actually re-sign him to a 2 year deal. I think he really showed in the second half that he can be a Steve Staios type of defenseman. Solid all around and makes good decisions, but doesn't have high end skill. He's a plug and play guy that you don't worry about too much, but doesn't really move the needle either.

9. Keep Miromanov or trade him?

Oof...trade. He's just not an NHL quality defender. Very unreliable. Not sure he's ever going to get there.

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL or send back to junior?

Keep Parekh. He has dominated junior 2 years in a row and needs to develop at the next level. I wish that was the AHL, which would be best, but it would be a waste of a year to have him go back to junior too. He'll be eased into the lineup on the 3rd pair next year and Huska will coach him into a solid defender. He will make a lot of mistakes and be exposed at times. I don't mind next year because I sorta want the Flames to have a good shot at the lottery in 2026. Take your lumps and learn each and every night. It's the best thing for him and the team long term.

I agree with 100% of this and it's exactly how I hope things are handled by Flames' management. I'm glad to see that others also see how priceless Coleman's work ethic is for young players to have during their development. I think it would be difficult to find ten players in the NHL who play with more effort every single day. I hope he stays with the Flames until the 2026-27 trade deadline.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm sure you're just being a dumbass or something, but all listed were UFA signings. I was comparing Rasmus to other UFAs, I don't think 6x6 is too cheap or a steal of a deal at all. IMO a hometown discount on Ras should start with a 5.

Still not sure I would sign him to that. I definitely don't think it's the right move for the future of the franchise.

You want a nurse contract?

I dont want it but you cant just pick the best deals as comparables

Cap is going up big time so add tax to all previous deals...he is getting more than 5 anywhere he goes

[EVERLAST]

Gonna say something about coaching first.

Huska needs help. He's a good coach but missing something. His assistants are failing him.
Horrendous PP ....we have thr players coming in and that will change.

As for everything else.

This team WINS when we stop being sentimental about certain players .

You either prove statistically that you belong , you carry your load , bring value and keep value or your gone.

This is NOT the Edmonton Oilers .

I'm glad Craig Conroy is at the helm and I see some uncomfortable things coming on the horizon that a majority of Flames fans won't like but this teams future is in its prospects and he showed that this year for the first time .

No more reclamation projects, no PTOS , and or experiments .

I think Anthony Mantha was a Gamble and I also think Craig Learned immediately after we were without his services because he didn't try and cover it up et al Tre dying.

This teams culture , future , atmosphere hinges on learning from mistakes from the past and no regurgitating them .

Ask anyone that's watched this team since day one and tell them to be honest . It's been gambling and Russian roulette since day 1 .

You hit some home runs yes .....but more often than not you strike out .

This team going forward cannot afford to be anything less than absolutely ruthless and dispatch of players that can't deliver anymore or live up to contracts signed by previous regimes

Don't get too attached to people fellas ....Craig has to know this with the rest of management in order to succeed.

Craig was a student for a long damn time ....i wish he'd been around successful businessman more like BUD, Harley , Doc who were incredibly successful and left a permanent mark as such in Calgary.

He got time with Burke, King and now some respected executives....but they aren't winners in the sense that what do they actually have to show for it???

So cleaning house is made up of experiences , Learning meaningful lessons and understanding the recipes of the past didn't work and now it's time for enormous courage to make necessary uncomfortable decisions.

I think he'll do that....lord help us if he doesn't becsuse ill cheer but I'm tired of this mediocrity AGAIN Again Again Again Again and again.

[Finger Cookin]

Would you rather?

1. Trade Andersson in the off season or sign him for something reasonable like 7x7 or 6x6? - neither, keep him to start the season and see how it unfolds until Christmas or the all-star break

2. Trade Coleman or have him be a staple on the 3rd4th line? - staple

3. Trade Backlund or have him be a staple on the 3rd/4th line? - staple

4. Keep Rooney or replace him with someone from the farm? - the organization can do anything it wants to Rooney, I couldn't care less

5. Stay quiet or go after a UFA? - stay quiet

6. Keep Pachal or trade him? - keep

7. Keep Bean or trade him? - trade, waive, put on the Wranglers, sit in the pressbox, whatever

8. Keep Hanley or trade him? - keep

9. Keep Miromanov or trade him? - give him the Bean treatment

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL or send back to junior? - NHL

[Harry Lime]

Keep Backlund and Pachal. Maybe Coleman.
Keep Parehk up.
Lose everyone else.

UFA big game hunting only.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Keep Parehk up.

Keep Parekh up instead, fire Parehk into the sun along with everyone else who can't spell Zayne's extremely simple to spell last name

Or maybe Zain Parehk is our best prospect since Jarmoe Iglinia

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by FBI

Curious on some consensus opinions here:

Would you rather?

1. Trade Andersson in the off season or sign him for something reasonable like 7x7 or 6x6?

2. Trade Coleman or have him be a staple on the 3rd4th line?

3. Trade Backlund or have him be a staple on the 3rd/4th line?

4. Keep Rooney or replace him with someone from the farm?

5. Stay quiet or go after a UFA?

6. Keep Pachal or trade him?

7. Keep Bean or trade him?

8. Keep Hanley or trade him?

9. Keep Miromanov or trade him?

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL or send back to junior?

1. Trade Andersson in the off season


2. Have Coleman be a staple on the 3rd4th line

3. Have Backlund be a staple on the 3rd/4th line

4. Replace Rooney with someone from the farm

5. Stay quiet

6. Keep Pachal

7. Keep Bean and play in the farm

8. Trade Hanley

9. Keep Miromanov in the farm

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Keep Parekh up instead, fire Parehk into the sun along with everyone else who can't spell Zayne's extremely simple to spell last name

Or maybe Zain Parehk is our best prospect since Jarmoe Iglinia

Parehk could be the best defentzman on the Flaims since Hanifan.

[GreenLantern2814]

1. Trade Andersson.

2. That’s up to Coleman.

3. Only if they’re out of it at the deadline.

4. Punt, sign another Rooney type in FA.

5. Shhh… shhh… shhh…

6. Keep - ideal 5/6 D who’s on a great contract.

7. Who would trade for Jake Bean?

8. Thank you for your service. Now get out.

9. Who would trade for Daniil Miromanov?

10. Parekh is an NHL player right now.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Answered in line.

Keep adding my quotes to your sig, I like having a biggest fan on CP.

[Flamescuprun2018]

1. Trade Andersson. Max value in off season retained. We will get a 2027 1st and a A prospect (please be a center). I like Conny having at least 2 first round picks per year. We need to clear roster spots for next and better wave of offensive right shot Dmen.

2. Keep Coleman this year to teach the youth. Can always move him for a high pick in his final year of contract at trade deadline if he wants one last shot with a contender.

3. Backs has earned the right to retire a Flame if he wishes.

4. Rooney should be gone. Conny really wants a right shot center on the team for faceoffs in a 3C or 4C role depending on Backs regression. That should be our UFA target.

5. UFA right shot center signing only. Preferably a short term deal if a 3C or 4C.

6. Pachal can stay especially as insurance for a year or two until young D are ready. In the right age range.

7. Move Bean in a trade if you think Solov/Kuznet are ready. Ras and Bean have value to add a bit of draft capital. Conny wants 8-9 picks per year to keep cupboard stocked.

8. Hanley is gone as UFA

9. Miromanov under contract one more year. Will be a tweener next year with Wranglers and Flames if injuries.

10. Parekh will start with Flames. He might be a third pair at beginning of season but over time he will move into top 4 and becomes PP1 quarterback before end of season.

[FBI]

OK here's a summary so far of about 23 responses:
#1. 70% of us want to trade Andersson, 30% keep at friendly deal
#2. 50% of us want to trade Coleman, 50% of us want to keep
#3. 85% of us want to keep Backlund, 15% of us want to trade
#4. 100% of us want to get rid of Rooney (lol)
#5. 60% of us want to dabble in UFA land, 40% of us want to do nothing
#6. 95% of us want to keep Pachal
#7. 95% of us want to move on from Bean
#8. 57% of us want to keep Hanley, 43% move on
#9. 91% of us want to move on from Miromanov
#10. 95% of us want Parekh in the NHL Next Year

Also I forgot to talk about Mantha but I'm guessing 95% of us are wanting to move on from him as well.

[1qqaaz]

Of course I think the Flames need to do what is necessary to get a franchise center.

But they're not going to do that. Otherwise, I think the Flames have too much turnover in general - keep the roster static for the most part.

Miromanov and Rooney can go, Bean is borderline. I kind of hope Vladar stays.

[Romanrules]

Originally Posted by FBI

Curious on some consensus opinions here:

Would you rather?

1. Trade Andersson in the off season or sign him for something reasonable like 7x7 or 6x6?

Keep Rasmus IF he wants to stay for no more than 6 years.

2. Trade Coleman or have him be a staple on the 3rd4th line?
If he wants to stay keep him.

3. Trade Backlund or have him be a staple on the 3rd/4th line?
If he wants to stay keep him.

4. Keep Rooney or replace him with someone from the farm?
Let him go.

5. Stay quiet or go after a UFA?
Unless it’s an elite sub30 center pass.

6. Keep Pachal or trade him?
Keep.

7. Keep Bean or trade him?
Let him go.

8. Keep Hanley or trade him?
1 year $2M or less, anything more pass.

9. Keep Miromanov or trade him?
He’s cheap keep as depth.

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL or send back to junior?
Leave him on the big club and make him earn his way up the lineup.

Here are mine:
#1. trade him. #2 and #3 Keep them for the 4th line.
#4. Someone from farm. #5. Stay quiet. #6. Keep
#7. Trade #8. Keep #9. Trade #10. Play in NHL

My answers are provided under the questions.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Of course I think the Flames need to do what is necessary to get a franchise center.

But they're not going to do that.

Were you thinking abduction? Kidnapping? Blackmail?

[Calgary4LIfe]

[QUOTE=FBI;9400233]Curious on some consensus opinions here:

Would you rather?

1. Trade Andersson in the off season or sign him for something reasonable like 7x7 or 6x6?
Trade. I love the guy, but this team needs change and I worry about his footspeed long-term.

2. Trade Coleman or have him be a staple on the 3rd4th line?
Up to Coleman. Ask him if he wants to move on or not. I am 100% fine with keeping him as he is one of the best vets to have around.


3. Trade Backlund or have him be a staple on the 3rd/4th line?
Keep Backlund unless he wants to chase a cup. I don't agree with the 3rd/4th line thing - he plays 2nd line minutes because he is out there against the top opposition and makes everyone else's life easier because of it. So no, 'not 3rd/4th line guy' - at least not yet, and only gets pushed down when there is someone better.


4. Keep Rooney or replace him with someone from the farm?
Replace. I think Injures sort of set him back to start the season but I do think he is just above replacement level (his work on the PK has been above replacement level and should be lauded). This is not a championship-caliber team, and there should be another injection of youth wherever possible.

5. Stay quiet or go after a UFA?
Quiet. Team has too many forwards already, and too many defencemen needing waivers. I think the trade scenario would probably make more sense, as you are also getting a younger player.

6. Keep Pachal or trade him?
Keep. He has been good, and he brings grit to this team and can help both shelter and stand-up for a rookie defencemen.


7. Keep Bean or trade him?
Keep. He can be the 7th defencemen or send him down to the farm to help the youth there. He has had very good stretches this season for which he barely got a mention, but he hasn't been very good at times. Other times he hasn't been good. I don't think you get anything for him in a trade, so you might as well keep him as the 7th. He chose to sign here and wants to be here. He is replacement level - that's 7th defencemen territory.


8. Keep Hanley or trade him?
Hanley is a UFA, so you can't trade him. I would re-sign him if he is up for it. He will require a raise, however, but should still come in cheaply enough. I think he moves on, however, since he has improved and looks at himself as better than replacement level now (as he should). I am happy keeping him, otherwise I wish him luck.


9. Keep Miromanov or trade him?
Trade if possible, but just send him down. He isn't improving at all. He needs minutes to play. I don't think you get anything for him through trade, so I would just try to send him down to the farm and see if he doesn't improve at least. If not, you just don't re-sign him after next season. He has definitely made some really good plays this season, but like Bean, he just doesn't put it all together enough (in fact, worse than Bean).


10. Keep Parekh in the NHL or send back to junior?
NHL - Nothing left to prove in Junior. Manage his time appropriately. Start him on the bottom pairing and give him 2nd unit PP time. As he gains confidence and his play dictates, you move him up. If he falters, you sit him for a couple of games and re-insert him back-in. I would be surprised if he isn't in the top 4 night-in and night-out by Christmas. Kid has too many tools and too high of an IQ.

[iamca]

1. Trade Andersson for a solid or overpay prospect/pick

2. Coleman is a winner and sets a great example for younger players. Keep him unless he doesn’t want to be here at the deadline

3. Keep Backlund on 3rd line and continue to leverage his leadership and mentorship abilities with the younger players. Backlund plays a 200 foot game and is still effective (when healthy, which has been most of the time)

4. Rooney should be done as a Flame as there are too many younger options

5. Stay quiet

6. Keep Pachal

7. Bean can be traded

8. Keep Hanley

9. Keep Miromanov or send him down to the Wranglers

10. Keep Parekh in the NHL


Every team that is successful has a mix of veterans and younger, developing players.

We shouldn’t trade players like Backlund who is the captain, Flames 1st round draft choice, and has spent his entire career in Calgary.

You can trade him, but realistically unless he has a desire to be traded and chase a Cup, keep him.


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