[Trade] SJS trades Vanecek to FLA for Patrick Giles

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If that’s the return no wonder conny didn’t trade vladdy.

Does that even qualify as a return?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Do they even have any retention slots left?

I doubt they have to with gaining so little from Florida. They got some wiggle room from Tkachuk LTIRed.

No they don't. They've retained on Burns, Hertl, and Karlsson.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Man I'm looking at puckpedia and the Flames have the 2nd most cap space in the league. They can definitely make a couple of food deals for players with cap and term. Or eat a bad short term contract from a top team to give them room.

Pizza? Steak? Lobster?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

No salary is retained. Deal was talked about the last few days between the teams.

Well this is the first I'm hearing about this. Why didn't they bring me in on this conversation?

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Return is 25 year old AHLer Patrick Giles per Tim Reynolds
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=196114

TIL that is a place in Maryland called Chevy Chase

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Man I'm looking at puckpedia and the Flames have the 2nd most cap space in the league. They can definitely make a couple of food deals for players with cap and term. Or eat a bad short term contract from a top team to give them room.

We said that last year too.... so far, we've taken on Farabee's 5MM deal (3 more years) so we can have Frost for a 2nd is how I see it.

[The Cobra]

Remember, until the last two games he played, Vladar has had a poor year and a mediocre career.

Teams don't change their mind on a players skillset based on a few games, they look at a larger sample size.

Plus, I doubt that Conroy wants to move Vladar as long as Calgary remains in contention, which they clearly are. Absent a return he simply cannot turn down.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Buff

Well this is the first I'm hearing about this. Why didn't they bring me in on this conversation?

You might be an outsiderrrrrr.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Buff

Well this is the first I'm hearing about this. Why didn't they bring me in on this conversation?

Cause you are buff, you are the stuff, and the girls just can't get enough.

[Baaarrden]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

No they don't. They've retained on Burns, Hertl, and Karlsson.

That's brutal for a rebuilding team as bad as San Jose is to not have any retention slots left. Looks like Burns comes off the books after this season but then they still have 2 years left of Karlsson after this season and 3 years left of Hertl.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Baaarrden

That's brutal for a rebuilding team as bad as San Jose is to not have any retention slots left. Looks like Burns comes off the books after this season but then they still have 2 years left of Karlsson after this season and 3 years left of Hertl.

It’s not bad at all. Retention spots only have value if you use them, and they got value out of them by using them.

Keeping them open holds no value.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Baaarrden

That's brutal for a rebuilding team as bad as San Jose is to not have any retention slots left. Looks like Burns comes off the books after this season but then they still have 2 years left of Karlsson after this season and 3 years left of Hertl.

And that's exactly why the Flames should not trade any long-term contracts with salary retained.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s not bad at all. Retention spots only have value if you use them, and they got value out of them by using them.

Keeping them open holds no value.

Best to have them available to use, and use them when it can benefit the team. Not using them is not ideal in the Flames' situation, but not having them available to use would significantly reduce the Flames' potential number of trade partners and possible deals.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Ped

I would presume Vanecek is cheaper than Vladar's current price tag.

Originally Posted by Toonage

No, Vladar would be cheaper. Unless SJ retains about half and they might

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nope. Makes 900k more than Vlad.

Vanacek makes 3.4 on his current contract and a pending UFA, Vlad is 2.2 on an epriring deal.

Sorry, I meant price as in acquisition cost, as it sounds like Calgary wants a 2nd for Vladar.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

No they don't. They've retained on Burns, Hertl, and Karlsson.

Ouch. At least Burns expires this year. Karlsson will have another 2 seasons, and Hertl 3 after this one.

[OILFAN #81]

Vladar to Carolina would make the most sense IMO.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Vanecek's numbers are brutal. If San Jose can get anything, it's a win.

The San Jose Sharks are brutal. Vanecek is likely still a capable backup, away from the tire fire that is San Jose.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Vladar to Carolina would make the most sense IMO.

Vladar remaining a Flame is likely what makes the most sense. The Flames are likely sending their 1st to Montreal. Hurting the Flames' chances at making the playoffs for a 3rd round pick doesn't make much sense.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by blankall

The San Jose Sharks are brutal. Vanecek is likely still a capable backup, away from the tire fire that is San Jose.

Personally never like him but then again the Panthers didn't give up anything. Got him for nothing but for the cap hit.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

TIL that is a place in Maryland called Chevy Chase

This got me a couple of years ago. There are a few golf courses across the US called Chevy Chase Country Clubs. At first I thought he really got into golf after caddy shack but nope, apparently these places are where he got the nickname from.