Murray Edwards Interview

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by heep223

Yeah, not really an interview as much as a "hello yes I just want fans to know that I do in fact exist in real life and I am in fact a human, goodbye!"

He sure gets a ton of milage out of that 20 year old headshot

[InternationalVillager]

i don't think he's ever going to sell. maybe after the new building....his insatiable greed will be satisfied at an appropriate exit valuation. good riddance.

pretty dark era under his ownership of the team. hasn't accomplished a damn thing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigThief

He sure gets a ton of milage out of that 20 year old headshot

Don't worry, you'll be 60 one day, and still surfing your 40YO head shot too.

[curves2000]

If anybody really thinks that interview highlights Murray Edwards having the desire, the passion, the focus, the patience and more to actually win consistently, I don't know what to say. Perhaps Murray Edwards is not a vocal owner about those things. Other ownership groups are beyond committed to winning. Las Vegas and Seattle were mentioned and their ownership groups have indicated winning is a priority like no other .

Tampa Bay ownership bought the team and Jeff Vinik was laser focused on bringing Cups home. Multiple wins, multiple final appearances, how many long playoff runs and great seasons under his belt. He gave an interview years ago wondering why such a great market, city and team had only a single Cup in team history since it started in 1992? 2004 was a good year for the Lighting winning the Cup but it was time to push forward with more modern memories. The status quo of looking back to memories of 2004 were not good enough.

Meanwhile in Boston, New England Patriots fan's are out for blood from ownership. Ownership is reassuring fans that after appearing in 45% of Superbowls (winning 6) during a solid run for 20 years, they are still looking to win. The expectation that was built there was that the Patriots are expected to be in the final or about as close to it as possible.

Our owner is sitting here giving about as rare of an interview as it get's and him and the fans are celebrating that he said " 2004 was a real special privilege "

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

That can't be right. Just off the top of my head, the Dolan family, Jeremy Jacobs and the Wirtz family

I must be losing my mind too

Seems like the Dolan family got involved with the Rangers in 1994 via ITT/Cablevision. Lots of corporate restructuring since then. The article mentions Edwards involvement in Flames ownership also began in 1994, so he may have mere days or weeks on the Dolans.

The article mentions that Jacobs has a longer tenure as majority owner than Edwards does.

The Wirtz Corporation seems to take controlling ownership of the Blackhawks in 1954 or in 1966 depending on where you check. Hard to say which Wirtz owned what share of the corporation as generations have come and gone. Presumably majority ownership of Wirtz Corporation, and therefore the Hawks, has changed a few times after 1994 - presumably at least Rocky Wirtz taking over around 2005 after Bill Wirtz was running things from 1983 until then.

No reason that the the claim in the article that Edwards "...is the second-longest serving majority owner of an NHL team, behind only Jeremy Jacobs." shouldn't be taken at face value.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don’t think anyone is celebrating they aren’t just getting upset about it

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Our owner is sitting here giving about as rare of an interview as it get's and him and the fans are celebrating that he said " 2004 was a real special privilege "

I missed the parade and announcement of the civic holiday. Perhaps others are being muted in their reactions and you're overreacting? Possibly?

[InternationalVillager]

2004 was 21 years ago. 2 decades.

as an owner, he should be ashamed.

we're approaching quarter century.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

2004 was 21 years ago. 2 decades.

as an owner, he should be ashamed.

we're approaching quarter century.

Forget 21 years ago, I am 39 and have effectively seen nothing of substance as a die hard Flames fan my entire life. We are talking about a generation of fans that don't have much to cheer for.

A run here, a playoff appearance there and signing a few UFA's does not qualify as excitement long term.

Crazy with how badly these team has been managed

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Forget 21 years ago, I am 39 and have effectively seen nothing of substance as a die hard Flames fan my entire life. We are talking about a generation of fans that don't have much to cheer for.

A run here, a playoff appearance there and signing a few UFA's does not qualify as excitement long term.

Crazy with how badly these team has been managed

It goes in cycles for the most part.

The 80's were great for the Flames. They made the quarter finals the first year in Calgary and rarely disappointed for ten more years.

You know what team's generation(s) of fans suffered back then? Pittsburgh, New York Rangers, New Jersey, Detroit, Toronto..lol, LA, Chicago, Minnesota, etc. Some of those teams never got a sniff for dozens of years on end. The list goes on, much longer than of teams that are perpetually successful. Who could we even say that are? Maybe Tampa, although they were pretty bad for the first ten or so years, Colorado I suppose, although they stunk it up a few years back, Dallas..ish maybe.

Who else just goes all out and provides generations of excitement?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

2004 was 21 years ago. 2 decades.

as an owner, he should be ashamed.

we're approaching quarter century.

Just as a reminder, on average, if all other things (such as players only wanting to play in American markets or large markets) were equal, a team should be expected to win the Stanley Cup once every 32 years, and make the Finals twice every 32 years. If Cup wins were random, it would be within normal variance for a team to win 2 years in a row, or for a team to go 64 years without winning. Of course, it's not random, but the Flames have been disproportionately affected by players wanting to play in American markets, which has hamstrung their competitiveness (Flames with Adam Fox, for example, would have been an entirely different team).

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

2004 was 21 years ago. 2 decades.

as an owner, he should be ashamed.

we're approaching quarter century.

Mmm I dunno about that. We really shouldn’t expect a cup run (like hitting the Finals or winning) unless we get outside of once every 32 years, technically.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Mmm I dunno about that. We really shouldn’t expect a cup run (like hitting the Finals or winning) unless we get outside of once every 32 years, technically.

I'd say the odds of the Flames winning the Cup are even worse than that. Some markets have more of an advantage than others for obvious reasons. There were roughly 30 teams, give or take, during Edwards's tenure, so if it was just random chance, the Flames would have a roughly 1/30 chance of winning any given year.

But then you factor in the number of teams that players prefer to play for over the Flames and other Canadian and/or small market teams, those odds probably shrink significantly.

I don't know how one could actually calculate the true odds for the Flames winning a Cup, but without nearly flawless management and a lot luck (like winning draft lotteries), the chances have to be much smaller than 1/30 over the past 25 years.

Edit: I see Macindoc already covered it.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If anybody really thinks that interview highlights Murray Edwards having the desire, the passion, the focus, the patience and more to actually win consistently, I don't know what to say.

Nobody thinks that. Please point out all the posts that illustrate the above. Seriously...

You were being called out for suggesting that it says other things that it clearly does not. The interview is what it is.

[Parallex]

Puff piece. Nothing interesting. Just the softest of softball questions.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If anybody really thinks that interview highlights Murray Edwards having the desire, the passion, the focus, the patience and more to actually win consistently, I don't know what to say. Perhaps Murray Edwards is not a vocal owner about those things. Other ownership groups are beyond committed to winning. Las Vegas and Seattle were mentioned and their ownership groups have indicated winning is a priority like no other .

Tampa Bay ownership bought the team and Jeff Vinik was laser focused on bringing Cups home. Multiple wins, multiple final appearances, how many long playoff runs and great seasons under his belt. He gave an interview years ago wondering why such a great market, city and team had only a single Cup in team history since it started in 1992? 2004 was a good year for the Lighting winning the Cup but it was time to push forward with more modern memories. The status quo of looking back to memories of 2004 were not good enough.

Meanwhile in Boston, New England Patriots fan's are out for blood from ownership. Ownership is reassuring fans that after appearing in 45% of Superbowls (winning 6) during a solid run for 20 years, they are still looking to win. The expectation that was built there was that the Patriots are expected to be in the final or about as close to it as possible.

Our owner is sitting here giving about as rare of an interview as it get's and him and the fans are celebrating that he said " 2004 was a real special privilege "

If you bring a preconceived massive bias to any topic you won't be relevant in a discussion.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Mmm I dunno about that. We really shouldn’t expect a cup run (like hitting the Finals or winning) unless we get outside of once every 32 years, technically.

I mean, two teams are in the finals, so 2/32 is 1/16. And 2004 was more than 16 years ago, so by that logic we're underperforming.

[InternationalVillager]

just make the playoffs consistently for a start. and draft some top end players that fans can get behind and go buy jerseys for and be excited. thats literally the entire point of being a sports fan.