Flames Quarter Century Team (2000-2025)

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by devo22

I love Wolf, but he has played 37 games for the Flames. Markstrom, for all his struggles in the 2022 playoffs and the 22-23 season, still had a season that saw him as a Vezina finalist and two more solid seasons for the Flames. Choosing Wolf over him makes little sense at this point and is 100% borne out of bitterness and recency bias.

Markstrom had one stand out season, and he sewered it by falling apart in our first Battle of Alberta in how long?

Markstrom was a bust as a Flame.

Dustin Wolf is currently rocking a .914, which would be Markstrom's 2nd best season by a large amount.

Markstrom did not deliver what he was paid to while he was here.

.904
.922
.892
.905

That's one top season, and three years that aren't even 'starter' quality.

Wolf > Markstrom

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by devo22

I love Wolf, but he has played 37 games for the Flames. Markstrom, for all his struggles in the 2022 playoffs and the 22-23 season, still had a season that saw him as a Vezina finalist and two more solid seasons for the Flames. Choosing Wolf over him makes little sense at this point and is 100% borne out of bitterness and recency bias.

Markstrom had about 0 GSAE as a Flame and we had to eat salary to get him out. That’s an all quarter century player?

[devo22]

look, I get the bitterness and resentment towards Markstrom. Still, it's really hard to argue that Wolf or any other goalie not named Kiprusoff had a better overall body of work in a Flames uniform this century. That in itself is pretty sad, but it is what it is ... the Vezina finalist season alone is by far the best any goalie performed for the Flames in a long time (again, outside of Kipper).

Who else? Brian Elliott? Jonas Hiller? Karri Ramo? Roman Turek? Come on now.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Markstrom had about 0 GSAE as a Flame and we had to eat salary to get him out. That’s an all quarter century player?

That's more indicative of the goalies the Flames have had over the past 25 years but for this organization he's the second best goalie in that time frame and there is really no arguing it.

Wolf is great, and hopefully Wolf is "First team" for the 2025-2050 quarter century team. But for 2000-2025 it's Kipper and Markstrom.

And in terms of retaining salary they retained salary to get a 1st and Kevin Bahl back...so not like they just retained salary to move him as a cap dump.

[PepsiFree]

Yeah it’s not like there’s a stellar lineup of goaltenders to choose from. Wolf is obviously great but the sample size is tiny when you’re looking back over 25 years (Elliott was better if that tiny sample size is allowed).

Markstrom is the second team guy for sure.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by devo22

look, I get the bitterness and resentment towards Markstrom. Still, it's really hard to argue that Wolf or any other goalie not named Kiprusoff had a better overall body of work in a Flames uniform this century. That in itself is pretty sad, but it is what it is ... the Vezina finalist season alone is by far the best any goalie performed for the Flames in a long time (again, outside of Kipper).

Who else? Brian Elliott? Jonas Hiller? Karri Ramo? Roman Turek? Come on now.

What’s the difference? They’re all zero value goalies. Wolf at least seems to be as good as anyone else in the NHL today.

[SuperMatt18]

The goalie options would be:

Kipper: 576 GP - .913 - he's the lock for 1st team.

Markstrom: 213 GP - .907
Turek: 152 GP - .906
Rittich: 130 GP - .908
Ramo: 111 GP: - .911 (maybe a bit underrated, weird he didn't get another NHL look after 15-16)

Wolf: 37 GP - .906

Really not a lot of good choices. Markstrom returned us a 1st and Bahl, and did win a playoff series, so that's probably as good a choice as any.

Ramo probably the next best option and I'm trying to remember why the didn't re-sign him coming out of 15-16 when he was clearly the teams best goalie that season when they decided to do the 3 headed monster with Ramo, Ortio, and Hiller

[PepsiFree]

According to wikipedia his NHL career ended due to injury. Was injured with the Flames which ended his season, then as a FA he signed a PTO with the Marlies while still dealing with injury (wasn’t signed) and then went back to Russia and continued struggling with injuries.

[devo22]

yeah Ramos numbers are better than I thought. Extremely consistent too.

2.65 and .911 in 40
2.60 and .912 in 34
2.63 and .909 in 37

nothing spectacular, but it doesn't get more consistent than that.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by devo22

I love Wolf, but he has played 37 games for the Flames. Markstrom, for all his struggles in the 2022 playoffs and the 22-23 season, still had a season that saw him as a Vezina finalist and two more solid seasons for the Flames. Choosing Wolf over him makes little sense at this point and is 100% borne out of bitterness and recency bias.

Wolf has won 10 games faster than any goalie in franchise history. And its early. Just pointing this out NOT to disregard anyone but no one has talked about this

[Sylvanfan]

Lindholm is a tough one to fit since he played both center and right wing. You could argue him and Langkow were the two best centers, but over shorter terms than Monahan and Backlund. Probably fair to have him as the second team RW.

I'd probably go Hamilton and Phaneuf for the second team defence. But outside of that first team looks good.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Wolf has won 10 games faster than any goalie in franchise history. And its early. Just pointing this out NOT to disregard anyone but no one has talked about this

To clarify: he won 10 home games to start a season faster than any goalie in franchise history.

As for fastest wins, I don't know 10 but I do know that Kipper won 20 in 31 games and Wolf is 2nd, winning 20 in 37 games.

And it really was incredible, and deserves discussion...

10-1-1 1.97 GAA, 0.937 save percentage.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Wolf has won 10 games faster than any goalie in franchise history. And its early. Just pointing this out NOT to disregard anyone but no one has talked about this

home games. And yeah, that's awesome, as is winning 20 games in 37 starts (only Kipper was faster) ... I'm as pumped about Wolf as everybody else, but naming him 2nd best Flames goalie of the century (at this point!) is premature and insane, given the super small sample size.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The goalie options would be:

Kipper: 576 GP - .913 - he's the lock for 1st team.

Markstrom: 213 GP - .907
Turek: 152 GP - .906
Rittich: 130 GP - .908
Ramo: 111 GP: - .911 (maybe a bit underrated, weird he didn't get another NHL look after 15-16)

Wolf: 37 GP - .906

Really not a lot of good choices. Markstrom returned us a 1st and Bahl, and did win a playoff series, so that's probably as good a choice as any.

Ramo probably the next best option and I'm trying to remember why the didn't re-sign him coming out of 15-16 when he was clearly the teams best goalie that season when they decided to do the 3 headed monster with Ramo, Ortio, and Hiller

We paid $3.5 million for that and it’s a protected pick. So what would that have been otherwise, Bahl and a 4th? For our all quarter century team? Imagine if Kiprusoff got hurt, Markstrom would be in there playing like he did in the Edmonton series.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We paid $3.5 million for that and it’s a protected pick. So what would that have been otherwise, Bahl and a 4th? For our all quarter century team? Imagine if Kiprusoff got hurt, Markstrom would be in there playing like he did in the Edmonton series.

The value of cap space has declined substantially.

My guess is that if there had been no retention, the deal would probably been a 1st and a lesser prospect. Or maybe Bahl and a 2nd

[butterfly]

It counts 2000 so we could use Brathwaite or Giguere.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It counts 2000 so we could use Brathwaite or Giguere.

Giguere and his 22 games? Most of which were played in the late 90s? Honestly.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We paid $3.5 million for that and it’s a protected pick. So what would that have been otherwise, Bahl and a 4th? For our all quarter century team? Imagine if Kiprusoff got hurt, Markstrom would be in there playing like he did in the Edmonton series.

They don't actually play the games.

The idea that Markstrom has to go in and play against Edmonton, or that Monahan has to go line up against McDavid and MacKinnon has no bearing on the discussion.

It's between the years of 2000 - 2025 who were the best Calgary Flames?

Markstrom is very likely the second best goalie over that time period when you look at Games Played, Save Percentage, performance, etc.

Monahan and Backlund were the two best centers over that time period.

And that's why the team didn't have more success over the last 25 years...we were very thin at two critical positions of center and goalie.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by mogg

Giguere and his 22 games? Most of which were played in the late 90s? Honestly.

Yeah, you’re right. Markstrom was just so much better than Karri Ramo or David Rittich.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am not a huge Markstrom fan either, but we don't beat Dallas without him.

He wasn't good vs Edmonton but who was? That loss is firmly on the shoulders of Darryl Sutter and his refusal to make any changes.