08-20-2024, 03:52 PM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Conroy should be on the phone with Francis. The Krakens are going to have to dump some salary to get compliant.
Flames could take Gourde and their 2025 1st and everyone's a winner!
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Does feel like they will have to try to drop one of Gourde, Eberle, Tanev, or Tolvanen.
Both Gourde and Tanev are UFAs at year end that I'd have no issue taking for a 2nd. Take a 2nd to take them now, and then probably get another 2nd when you move them at the deadline.
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08-20-2024, 04:16 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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^^^^^
Probably more like a 3rd now and 3rd at the deadline, but point remains, I'd be happy to do that.
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08-20-2024, 04:19 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Does feel like they will have to try to drop one of Gourde, Eberle, Tanev, or Tolvanen.
Both Gourde and Tanev are UFAs at year end that I'd have no issue taking for a 2nd. Take a 2nd to take them now, and then probably get another 2nd when you move them at the deadline.
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Agree, and definitely want to focus on the pending UFAs so as to not lock up another retention slot beyond next season.
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08-20-2024, 04:20 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by jayswin
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Probably more like a 3rd now and 3rd at the deadline, but point remains, I'd be happy to do that.
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Fine. 2 2nds and 2 3rds.
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08-20-2024, 05:30 PM
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#25
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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They just extended Eberle this sunmer. He isn't going anywhere
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08-20-2024, 05:36 PM
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#26
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Turner Valley
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Beniers is a top 5 young player in the league IMO. Good value for Kraken and they'll be laughing within a few years, possibly as early as next year.
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08-20-2024, 05:42 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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You gotta bet on your young talent. Besides, Beniers isn't the first player to have a sophomore slump and he won't be the last
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08-20-2024, 07:54 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
People complain the Flames didn't lock up Tkachuk long term coming off his ELC...this is what that looks like.
Tkachuk had 97 points in his first 144 games (0.67 P/GP)
Beniers had 103 points in his first 167 games (0.63 P/GP)
Seattle is hoping they can lock him up before the breakout offensive season. Similar to Tkachuk he's pretty astute 200 ft game already too.
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Though TBF, Tkachuk likely wanted $2M more and that was years ago.
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08-20-2024, 11:08 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Though TBF, Tkachuk likely wanted $2M more and that was years ago.
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And Tkachuk was a difference maker right from the beginning.
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08-21-2024, 12:04 AM
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#30
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hong Kong
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This is fine. He'll be worth it. Matty will have a good third year, mark it.
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08-21-2024, 12:20 AM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta
Beniers is a top 5 young player in the league IMO. Good value for Kraken and they'll be laughing within a few years, possibly as early as next year.
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Top 5! Come on now
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08-21-2024, 10:02 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Top 5! Come on now
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Not sure what young is for you, but he is 21 and plays the premier position in the NHL. Drafted to be a #1C.
Even if he doesn't develop into a #1C, he is showing he could be a elite #2 and his contract is fair for that especially for a player that age.
So he is not wrong.
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08-21-2024, 10:10 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Not sure what young is for you, but he is 21 and plays the premier position in the NHL. Drafted to be a #1C.
Even if he doesn't develop into a #1C, he is showing he could be a elite #2 and his contract is fair for that especially for a player that age.
So he is not wrong.
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I thinkyou two are talking about different things. I took "top 5" to mean he's one of the 5 best young players in the league, not a top 5 forward. I doubt he's one of the former. This Athletic had him 13th among players 22 and younger (and IMO there's some names behind him that are better - eg, Stankoven, Slafovsky, Cooley, etc:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/519...king-under-23/
I do think his $7M will be fair in a couple of years and a bargain in year 5.
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08-21-2024, 10:12 AM
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#34
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Not sure what young is for you, but he is 21 and plays the premier position in the NHL. Drafted to be a #1C.
Even if he doesn't develop into a #1C, he is showing he could be a elite #2 and his contract is fair for that especially for a player that age.
So he is not wrong.
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Ummmm being a 2nd line center isn't top 5 in the league, even for players under 22.
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08-21-2024, 10:14 AM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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Glad we locked in Sharangovich.. albeit only for 5 years
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08-21-2024, 10:17 AM
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Franchise Player
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You could make an argument that he's top 5 under 22. You've got Bedard, Carlson, and Fantilli, probably Luke Hughes... is Wyatt Johnson ahead of Beniers?
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08-21-2024, 10:26 AM
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First Line Centre
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Buy into young talent, not a hard concept.
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08-21-2024, 11:29 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
People complain the Flames didn't lock up Tkachuk long term coming off his ELC...this is what that looks like.
Tkachuk had 97 points in his first 144 games (0.67 P/GP)
Beniers had 103 points in his first 167 games (0.63 P/GP)
Seattle is hoping they can lock him up before the breakout offensive season. Similar to Tkachuk he's pretty astute 200 ft game already too.
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Tkachuk signed his second contract after a 77 point season though.
I have no doubt that Beniers will more than live up to this contract, but Tkachuk had proven way more when he signed.
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08-21-2024, 11:31 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
You could make an argument that he's top 5 under 22. You've got Bedard, Carlson, and Fantilli, probably Luke Hughes... is Wyatt Johnson ahead of Beniers?
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Johnson has more points in less games, on a deeper team. Slafovsky, Nemec, Cooley might have an argument now. Maybe Owen Power (hard to compare D v F).
It's a good contract though. $7M ain't what it once was in the NHL. It's second line salary.
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08-21-2024, 12:03 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta
Beniers is a top 5 young player in the league IMO. Good value for Kraken and they'll be laughing within a few years, possibly as early as next year.
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I can buy into that. His point production seemed to take a bit of a sophomore slump last season, but he seems to play the right way and isn't just focused on points. Eventually it will all come together for him. He strikes me as a player that is going to be a really good leader.
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