Flyers Terminate Ryan Johansen's Contract

[RedHot25]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1825985433722847253

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There should be no question of a settlement. If a team and a player can "settle" on a material breach that allows the team to get around having that player on their cap, that would frustrate the salary cap system.

[powderjunkie]

Ahh, sounds like the old Shaquille O'Neal move of scheduling surgery for very late in the off-season, so you recover when you'd otherwise be working.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Buff

He wore white clothes after Labour Day.

Labor Day is 2 weeks away. So, technically, white is still in fashion. Let's see if he wears white bedsheets after the long weekend.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Labor Day is 2 weeks away. So, technically, white is still in fashion. Let's see if he wears white bedsheets after the long weekend.

But it was also 50 weeks ago!

[dustygoon]

Kurt Overhardt repped Cutter Gauthier. Pretty easy to assume that the Flyers aren't giving RyJo the benefit of any doubt.

That statement suggests a tug of war about his health (3rd party physicians mentioned probably support need for surgery i'm guessing?).

[lazypucker]

Johansen should have done this:

[McG]

He’s going to the oilers. This is how they got Perry and Kane. And Bowman too, actually.

[transplant99]

Hockey/NHLis becoming soap operaish

[MrMike]

Can you blame a guy though for playing through a chronic injury which may require surgery on a cup contender to the next day being sent to the AHL? I mean look at what Monahan continued to play through each year.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Can you blame a guy though for playing through a chronic injury which may require surgery on a cup contender to the next day being sent to the AHL? I mean look at what Monahan continued to play through each year.

Then the question is why hasn't the surgery happened yet?

There are some possible explanations (attempt to rehab first or its actually multiple surgeries), but you'd probably want your employer in the loop on any unconventional strategy.

But I also wonder how explicitly this issue is codified in SPC's or the CBA. It could actually be an ambiguous hole, as normally players are motivated enough to preserve their own earning power that they get cut up ASAP.

[Erick Estrada]

The whole injury, surgery, LTIR thing is getting a little out of control. The NHL needs to force teams to be more forthcoming with injuries and timetables for surgery. The Kane thing for example is wishy washy as he tells people at a golf tournament that he will be ready to go for the season and then days later when rumors of offer sheets come out they have their propaganda minister announce he may need surgery and will go on LTIR. Why didn’t he have surgery after the season? Why is he telling people he’s ready for the season when the team thinks he may need surgery? It’s all becoming a game of lies and cheating.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Ahh, sounds like the old Shaquille O'Neal move of scheduling surgery for very late in the off-season, so you recover when you'd otherwise be working.

Lol. I think he said when you get injured on company time, you recover on company time.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The whole injury, surgery, LTIR thing is getting a little out of control. The NHL needs to force teams to be more forthcoming with injuries and timetables for surgery. The Kane thing for example is wishy washy as he tells people at a golf tournament that he will be ready to go for the season and then days later when rumors of offer sheets come out they have their propaganda minister announce he may need surgery and will go on LTIR. Why didn’t he have surgery after the season? Why is he telling people he’s ready for the season when the team thinks he may need surgery? It’s all becoming a game of lies and cheating.

I agree, and no more $10-15+ million over the cap teams in the playoffs either.

What a joke that is.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Flames should take him. Based on a Google, $4MM for one year is worth a second. Johansen can get his surgery and recover for a year. Doesn't even have to set foot in Calgary.

[cannon7]

Johansen may be a worthwhile reclamation project, purely for flipping during the TDL purposes.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I agree, and no more $10-15+ million over the cap teams in the playoffs either.

What a joke that is.

Where do you draw the line though? Is retention and double retention a fair game? Adding a guy like Hanifin with a $1.24M cap hit that is pro-rated to about $270k actual salary and capspace.

Which means being $270k under the cap from the start of the year till the deadline could get you a top pairing D-men like Hanifin.

I think they should either close all the loopholes or just leave it as is.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Flames should take him. Based on a Google, $4MM for one year is worth a second. Johansen can get his surgery and recover for a year. Doesn't even have to set foot in Calgary.

Flyers won't do that. They have the money to pay him, but they also think they have a case to not pay him. They're happy to fight it out and they don't want to trade a pick as they don't need to. They took him in the Walker desl to get the Avs to send that pick.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Is there another sport that so frequently cancels contracts? Not quite an epidemic but nhl has had multiple in the last decade. And they tend to be public and messy with grievances.

It makes me think the nhl should have a better process where teams need to apply to the league to have them decision these.

Especially since most players seem to end up signing elsewhere regardless of the seriousness of the reason for termination. If you terminate a contract with cause the player should not be signing with the Oilers a week later every time.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Where do you draw the line though? Is retention and double retention a fair game? Adding a guy like Hanifin with a $1.24M cap hit that is pro-rated to about $270k actual salary and capspace.

Which means being $270k under the cap from the start of the year till the deadline could get you a top pairing D-men like Hanifin.

I think they should either close all the loopholes or just leave it as is.

This often gets overlooked.

Having cap space all season and then adding retained players at the deadline, is just as big an advantage come playoff time as being on LTIR all season and adding that player back for the playoffs.

If I put a $5M player on LTIR all season, and then activate him for the playoffs I'm not allowed any cap accretional all season long, and can only exceed the salary cap come playoff time by that same $5M once I activate the player.

But if I have $2M of cap space all season long, that becomes $8M of pro-rated cap space at the deadline, and I can potentially trade for a couple of players with retention and have even more advantage come playoff time.

Generally no roster is truly under the salary cap come playoff time, because of the way salary cap accrues and how you can take advantage of that.