Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2024 - Round 23

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think shiny penny covers it as a definition when you draft that many times in the first three rounds and make trades to build out your prospect pool.

Sometime logic is just logic, and it doesn't need to be hammered on with some suggested bias.

I agree, since last year - where the team had an average to low average prospect pool, they added 10 draft picks (6 in first 3 rounds), got a B+ to A+ grade by most external reviewers on their draft haul, and added a couple ( 3 I suppose if you add JJ) of interesting prospects via trade all the while graduating only 2 meaningful prospects one from the top tier, and one from the mid-lower tier


this was bound to happen- for sure a year from now some of these guys will have disappointed and some will have progressed well, but a 3rd round pick from this year is still on the board at 23 so I don't think we are being totally distracted by shiny new things

[Kipper_3434]

Don't buy the Morton hype, guy just turned 25, low ceiling, low floor.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Don't buy the Morton hype, guy just turned 25, low ceiling, low floor.

Yeah I have him rated lower than a few more.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Don't buy the Morton hype, guy just turned 25, low ceiling, low floor.

I'm of the same opinion to a certain degree. Morton's age means his development window doesn't have a whole lot of time left. He's close to a finished product. He does have a goal scoring pop that few other prospects on this list have, so I'll give him that.

What I don't understand in this poll is how Kerins is getting more votes compared to Schwindt. They had nearly identical production last year, but Schwindt actually got a call up to the NHL and looked pretty solid. He's much bigger/physical and plays a much more sound defensive game than Kerins.

WTF CP?

[agulati]

Missed the last few rounds. Didn’t realize Zarubin was still on the board, so went with Morton.

[TheIronMaiden]

Yeah, I really don't get the Kerins love, at 22 he really hasn't shown more then average production.

Edit: actually it's round 23 so no one is a perfect player. who really knows what's left on this list.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Don't buy the Morton hype, guy just turned 25, low ceiling, low floor.

Hype?

This is round 23!

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Yeah, I really don't get the Kerins love, at 22 he really hasn't shown more then average production.

Edit: actually it's round 23 so no one is a perfect player. who really knows what's left on this list.

Kerins is 3 years younger than Morton and produced at a higher PPG than Morton did

32 points in 54 games at age 21 is pretty solid, as long as he keeps progressing, which he has every year

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hype?



This is round 23!

I was about to say something similar. I'm not getting too flustered about the 23rd best prospect in the system.

We're firmly in "guy you like the best" territory. The chances of any of these guys making the show are all about the same in my eyes.

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[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Don't buy the Morton hype, guy just turned 25, low ceiling, low floor.

Not hyping him, but even being 25, there's something there with his shot and the way he plays. And even though you're probably right, he's a late bloomer that still could turn into something.

Frank Vatrano, Carter Verhaeghe, Jonathan Marchessault, Trevor Moore... all guys that were "low ceiling, low floor" types but figured it out after 25.

[Knut]

I know the Hoskin pick was kind of seen as out of left field. The point totals he put up in the OJPHL were great. I think he will surprise next year.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think shiny penny covers it as a definition when you draft that many times in the first three rounds and make trades to build out your prospect pool.



Sometime logic is just logic, and it doesn't need to be hammered on with some suggested bias.

The bias isn't a suggestion and will be born out by the year over year regression of prospects in the annual ranking. It's not something that is new this year, it's become an annual tradition at this point.

Not saying it's bad or wrong, it's an observation.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

The bias isn't a suggestion and will be born out by the year over year regression of prospects in the annual ranking. It's not something that is new this year, it's become an annual tradition at this point.

Not saying it's bad or wrong, it's an observation.

There's a logical explanation for your observation. If you took out all the new prospects added, the regression of players who did not make the main team simply reflects the fact that the prospect pool is getting deeper, and an 18 y.o. drafted in the top 10 (or even a 20 y.o. drafted in the top 60 by another team 2 or 3 years ago) is likely a better prospect than a 23 y.o. who has been scuffling along for 5 years. If you take out the new prospects added by draft and trade, most prospects' ranking is similar to previous years.

Unfortunately, every year that passes, prospects who are not showing significant progression year or over year are less likely to make it.

[looooob]

Of the players who are still in the system and considered prospects and drafted by the Flames, by order (this year's picks in Bold)



First rounders Parekh, Coronato, Honzek, Pelletier, Gridin (these last 3 went 5-6-7)

Second Rounders Basha, Morin, Stomgren (these 3 went 8-9-10), Battaglia, Kuznetsov
Third Rounders Poirier, Mews, Suniev (went 13-14) {Zarubin, Boltmann, Nikolayev not yet ranked)
Fourth Rounders Lipinski {Hoskin, Chechelev, Koumontzis not yet ranked)
Fifth Rounders Misa {Bell not yet ranked)
6th rounders - none yet ranked, this year's picks not likely to go before Kerins and not clear re Ciona or Yegorov
7th rounders- none this year . Wolf, Sergeev (Hurtig not ranked)


its interesting re: shiny toy view. Parekh, Basha and Misa at the top of their peer group (Parekh and Basha early 1st/2nds) and Mews in the mix (tight grouping with Poirier and Suniev)



Gridin, Battaglia, Zarubin , Hoskin and the 6th rounders bringing up the middle to the back of their rounds