Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2024 - Round 18

[TheIronMaiden]

If I had to rank the remaining prospects of interest I would go

1. Lipinski
2. Kuznetsov
3. Hoskin
4. Jamieson
5. Sergeev
6. Yegorov
7. Hurtig
8. Jurmo
9. Bell
10. Ciona
11. Laing
12. Littler
13. Ignatjew
    

Anyone else doesn't strike me as more than a looong shot.

[TheIronMaiden]

pro Lipinski Propaganda

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/fla...or-whls-giants

https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/...-stars-7334912

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

pro Lipinski Propaganda

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/fla...or-whls-giants

https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/...-stars-7334912

prop·a·gan·da
/ˌpräpəˈɡandə/
noun
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

What did you find misleading or biased?

[agulati]

Lipinski, but could have gone with Klapka here as wwll

[transplant99]

Funny how Kuznetsov has fallen out of favor.....and really for no apparent reason other than he has been in these rankings for years now.

Big, steady, defense first guy who has taken a typical path to try and get to the NHL level.

I think he will be an NHL player for a few years once he gets his shot...maybe as soon as next season.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Went with the big man.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Funny how Kuznetsov has fallen out of favor.....and really for no apparent reason other than he has been in these rankings for years now.

Big, steady, defense first guy who has taken a typical path to try and get to the NHL level.

I think he will be an NHL player for a few years once he gets his shot...maybe as soon as next season.

I wouldn't say he's fallen out of favour.

I just think he's been passed by similar players, and knocked down the list by players having more impactful seasons and improving archs.

Grushnikov and Solovyov seem to have passed him.

I still think we see him as well, but I think he tops out more as a 6/7 then a 4/5.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wouldn't say he's fallen out of favour.

I just think he's been passed by similar players, and knocked down the list by players having more impactful seasons and improving archs.

Grushnikov and Solovyov seem to have passed him.

I still think we see him as well, but I think he tops out more as a 6/7 then a 4/5.

Yeah thats part of it...but he was top 10 last year.

Now he is coming in at 19 or 20.

Big non offensive guys always rate lower than they probably should in these things, which is understandable, but every team needs a couple of those guys as well.

If that many guys have passed him, great for the team. Im just not buying it.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Funny how Kuznetsov has fallen out of favor.....and really for no apparent reason other than he has been in these rankings for years now.

Big, steady, defense first guy who has taken a typical path to try and get to the NHL level.

I think he will be an NHL player for a few years once he gets his shot...maybe as soon as next season.

The team has added a boatload of prospects that CP have ranked in our top 15. If you eliminated all of those, he would rank as high as he did before.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If I had to rank the remaining prospects of interest I would go

1. Lipinski
2. Kuznetsov
3. Hoskin
4. Jamieson
5. Sergeev
6. Yegorov
7. Hurtig
8. Jurmo
9. Bell
10. Ciona
11. Laing
12. Littler
13. Ignatjew
    

Anyone else doesn't strike me as more than a looong shot.

Including Klapka? He isn't on your list.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah thats part of it...but he was top 10 last year.

Now he is coming in at 19 or 20.

Big non offensive guys always rate lower than they probably should in these things, which is understandable, but every team needs a couple of those guys as well.

If that many guys have passed him, great for the team. Im just not buying it.

Interesting discussion.

Here are the new entrants on the list that would be pushing him down.

Not sure I'd say any of them shouldn't have been ahead of Kuznetsov, and they number eight.

1. Parekh, Zayne 81% NA
4. Brzustewicz, Hunter 51% NA
7. Gridin, Matvei 45% NA
8. Basha, Andrew 30% NA
12. Grushnikov, Artem 39% NA
13. Mews, Henry 49% NA
15. Battaglia, Jacob Run Off NA
16. Misa, Luke Run Off NA

[Enoch Root]

Poirier dropped from 6 to 11

Solovyov dropped from 11 to 17

Kuznetsov is dropping from 9 to 19 or 20

I think they are all being affected by the same thing, and Solovyov looked better in his stint with the Flames than Kuznetsov did with his, so this all seems about right to me.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Including Klapka? He isn't on your list.

I would love to be wrong ( and I am wrong all the time just read my Zary takes last summer).

This is Klapka's last chance to make an argument that he is an NHLer.

He was 73rd in the AHL for points last year, and it is a bigger jump still into the NHL. During his 6 games in the NHL nothing really jumped off the page at me.

In short I don't think that he has "it". I think he is a fine player, but if he is going to make the NHL he needs to find something that he does better than someone on the roster. Whether that is killing penalties, or creating energy on the forecheck because he is not going to be a top producer.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Some real wildcards in the 19-25 range, including goaltenders.

[Sandman]

I’m going Klapka this round, but I put Bell ahead of Lipinski. Bell has the skating and scoring, and might be a middle-6 option down the road. I love Lipinski, but I think he’s going to be a good defensive player and utility guy, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I’m going Klapka this round, but I put Bell ahead of Lipinski. Bell has the skating and scoring, and might be a middle-6 option down the road. I love Lipinski, but I think he’s going to be a good defensive player and utility guy, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Out of curiosity where do you have Honzek ranked compared to Lipinski? I thought Lipinski had the better season out of the two(on the same team), but injuries were definitely a factor.

Also as a follow up, is the diffrence in their ranking mostly due to draft pedigree, or are Honzek's skills more transferable to the NHL in your opinion?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Klapka for me.



It is impossible to ignore his size, but what is impossible to ignore as well once you get over his size, is his skating ability.



He led the Wranglers in goals and points last season. Sure, had Coronato or Pelletier played the entire year down on the farm, they would have dramatically produced more. However, Klapka still out-produced the next guy on the list who did play more games and was older. That at least says something.


I don't think it says that he will be a productive scorer in the NHL, but I do think he will produce enough to not look out of place at the NHL level. He has a decent shot and can actually score from distance, but he can also make some nice plays with the puck. I think he makes a lot of mistakes too, but he was very raw to begin with. I think he can be better than your average 4th liner.



Where I think he could excel with some growth and coaching is on the third line as a 2-way checking forward. With his size and wingspan, it becomes difficult to get around him and he makes for a very effective forechecker already. With his speed and that wingspan, he should be good on the back-check too. With his size - and assuming he beefs out a little more in the next couple of seasons - he can be a very difficult player to deal with along the boards, so he should be able to neautralize the opposing team's cycles.



On the offensive side of the puck, he seems to be able to make some pretty high-level passes - at least passes that surprised me anyway. He is definitely not afraid to muck it up and attack the net either, and I was impressed with his patience with the puck at times - he definitely didn't handle it like a hand-grenade.



I think he is still a bit raw, but with the right coaching and enough of a runway, I really do think he can become a very effective 3rd line checker who players hate to play against. His willingness to stick up for his teammates is there, which is always nice to see, but I really do hope he doesn't feel the need to fight too often, boxing lessons or not. He needs to focus on developing out there when he gets his opportunities. Flames have not gone out and grabbed a legitimate 'tough guy' this season, and I don't think they have Klapka pencilled-into the lineup either. I think they were fine with last season and Conroy doesn't see a need to fill that spot, so Klapka will have to do MORE than just stick up for his teammates out there. Plus, I don't want to see him get KO'd either.



I really do see a lot of good tools there, but everything is fairly raw (though I would say he looks much better than he did originally). I really like the potential he has, and what he has showed at the AHL level thus far.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Out of curiosity where do you have Honzek ranked compared to Lipinski? I thought Lipinski had the better season out of the two(on the same team), but injuries were definitely a factor.

Also as a follow up, is the diffrence in their ranking mostly due to draft pedigree, or are Honzek's skills more transferable to the NHL in your opinion?

It seemed to me (and anyone who watches the Giants more closely can correct me if I’m wrong) that Lipinski was the far more useful and versatile player down the stretch, and had earned more ice-time in different situations over Honzek. Lipinski can play in any role in junior, as he can score, but has the heavy game to go with good defensive acumen- and he’s one of the best faceoff men in the WHL, which gets him even more ice-time. In the last 25 games of the regular season, Lipinski had over a ppg, while Honzek was under- the season was mostly a write-off for Sam unfortunately.

In the end, it comes down to projection- I still see Honzek with the skill to be a top-6 winger, while I believe Lipinski will fit in somewhere in the bottom-6, with some checking duty, and time on the PK- he has plenty of work to do on his mobility still, though. Just my opinion, thanks for asking gvitaly!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Out of curiosity where do you have Honzek ranked compared to Lipinski? I thought Lipinski had the better season out of the two(on the same team), but injuries were definitely a factor.

Also as a follow up, is the diffrence in their ranking mostly due to draft pedigree, or are Honzek's skills more transferable to the NHL in your opinion?

The black mark on Lipinski's report card is his skating. I like the way that he thinks the game, but in the NHL footspeed is everything.

[FlamesAddiction]

Last round I went with Lipinski, but this time I went with Klapka.

It's really hard to decide. I do like the fact that we are in round 18 and there are still decent guys to choose from.