Should the Flames offer sheet Dylan Holloway?

[Boreal]

No.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

A lot of people here value a 2nd round pick way too highly. Glad they aren't the GM!

[FlamesAddiction]

No.

[Wastedyouth]

But what if that 2nd round pick turns into a Dylan Holloway?

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Hard pass. Never understood the appeal, and he hasn't done a single thing since he was drafted to change my mind.

5 goals in 25 playoff games for a 3/4 line rookie seems not bad for 22 year old.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

A lot of No responses with no reasons given. Thanks for nothing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

5 goals in 25 playoff games for a 3/4 line rookie seems not bad for 22 year old.

Dylan if you really want to be a Flame, just ask for a trade.

[EVERLAST]

Id run this by CBL . Hed know for sure whether this would be appropriate

[Enoch Root]

Holloway is easily worth a 2nd round pick. And it wouldn't cost anywhere near $4M - IIRC, the range for a 2nd round pick as comp was $2.9M - $4.5M

And you could also offer $1.5ish, as the comp would be zero.

I am all for it, because the Oilers are in a pickle. Would they match? Very likely. Would it piss them off? 100% Can they get back at us? Maybe one day, but remember, a player has to sign the offer sheet - they can't simply just throw one at us in a hissy fit.

Are offer sheets a good idea, or a good way to conduct business? Generally, no, not at all. But if there was ever a time that it made sense, this is it.

[Badgers Nose]

Survey please!

All the choices should be NO however.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

A lot of people here value a 2nd round pick way too highly. Glad they aren't the GM!

Andrew Mangiapane was just traded for a late second rounder, and you're suggesting the Flames surrender an early second and an absolutely ridiculous cap hit for a significantly worse player.

If you want Holloway, trade one of the acquired picks for him and then sign him to a reasonable contract. I still think that's a bad trade, for the record. As noted above, you can get a better player than Holloway for a second round pick if that's the route you want to take.

Personally, I think the Flames should just use their picks. Trading one for a fourth liner who has shown absolutely no signs of being more than that seems like a waste of time.

People aren't overvaluing second round picks. You're undervaluing them.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

You can surely get him for $3M. He's got hands, speed, playoff experience and age 22.

Hands? 9 goals in 89 NHL games?

[serratedmuffin]

I can't speak for everyone but for me, the reason I say no is because the flames need elite talent. I don't see it with Holloway. Do I think a 2nd round pick is likely to be an elite talent? No, but I do think it has a higher chance than Holloway. The draft is a bit of a crapshoot and you need all the chances you can get to hit on talent. The flames are not in the position to send out high draft picks at this point unless it's elite talent coming back.

[Jacks]

No, but a contending team with cap space should. Our 2nd rounder is likely to be a high one and we can use that player in a couple of years on an ELC on what is hopefully the tail end of a rebuild.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Where's the evidence?

The Oilers have offer-sheeted a total of one (1) player in their history, and that was 17 years ago.

Without looking it up they've done it at least twice, Penner and Vanek. For all we know they could have made more offers that weren't accepted.

[The Yen Man]

Despite his 5 goals in the playoffs, I've not been impressed with Holloway. For all we know, he could have just had a Shean Donovan hot streak in they playoffs. Happens all the time. His regular season stats leave a lot to be desired.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

5 goals in 25 playoff games for a 3/4 line rookie seems not bad for 22 year old.

He wasn't a rookie. And 5 goals in 25 games works out to a 16-goal pace over a full season. You don't throw money at a player like that.

If the Oilers thought he was worth $3 million a year, they'd have signed him for that. But for $3 million they were able to go out and sign Jeff Skinner, who may no longer be young, but is a vastly better player and always has been.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Flames are rebuilding, we are not a position to be trading picks which will be high for players, especially utility players like this.

We need as many picks as possible, and to make those picks.

Stop trading picks!!!

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Hands? 9 goals in 89 NHL games?

5 goals in 25 playoff games, that's tough hockey. With limited minutes playing on an offensively stacked team. He hasn't been given 2nd line minutes but he could in Calgary.

[Ba'alzamon]

This is what it comes down to:

1. The Flames do not need a roster player more than they need a second round pick (particularly their own second, which figures to be early). If anything, they should be trading roster players for more picks, not the other way around.
2. If they did need a roster player more than they needed a second rounder (which, again, they do not), they could get a better player than Holloway for one.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Flames are rebuilding, we are not a position to be trading picks which will be high for players, especially utility players like this.

We need as many picks as possible, and to make those picks.

Stop trading picks!!!

22 years can absolutely be part of a rebuild. Source: Connie said it.