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Old 06-29-2025, 01:30 PM   #21
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As mentioned in the draft thread I've been tracking draft rankings in a spreadsheet since 2013 and was trying to figure out a way to evaluate how the various experts have performed. This is what I've come up with.

1. Evaluating from 2013-2019 as I started recording rankings in 2013 and anything past 2019 seems premature (do we really know what Quinton Byfield or Alexis Lafreniere is yet?)
2. Using the first round players (so 30 or 31 players depending on the year) from each list as some rankings I don't have further than that and we mostly care about the top of the draft
3. Evaluating based on the actual results of the players in the NHL - not where they were drafted as these lists aren't meant to be mock drafts but rather are how the expert thinks the player will perform. To achieve this I decided to use the career Point Share calculation from HockeyReference.com as it allows comparison across positions. This also means that players with similar results will have similar values.
4. Weight the results based on where the player was ranked - getting a good player in your ranking at #25 is fine, but if the player you put #2 was a bust that should count against you pretty heavily. I decided the simplest way to weight the rankings was by multiplying the point shares by the inverse of the slot - so for a year where the first round had 30 picks for the #1 ranked player's point shares are multiplied by 30, the #2 player by 29, etc. I'm not convinced that the top players in the ranking shouldn't be weighted even more heavily but this is at least a start.
5. For a baseline I then calculated the same value based on the actual draft positions for the year
6. To allow comparison across years I then took each list's score as a percentage of the baseline. So if the score for the actual draft was 9279 (the 2017 score) and Bob McKenzie's list scored 9204 he would end up with 9204/9279*100 = 99.2 as his score for that year. Above 100 means the list outperformed the actual draft, below 100 is worse.

My assumption going is was that Bob McKenzie would be right around the actual GM results as his list is an average of NHL scouts. I figured Craig Button and Corey Pronman would probably vary quite a bit from year to year as they tend to go against the consensus more than most. So, how did the various evaluators do?

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                        Overall	2019	2018	2017	2016	2015	2014	2013
Future Considerations	100.0	95.1	103.4	95.1	104.5	99.6	103.6	98.7
Bob McKenzie		99.7	100.6	102.3	99.2	100.3	99.9	101.1	94.3
Craig Button		99.3	99.2	101.5	95.4	105.4	100.4	104.8	88.7
HockeyProspect.com	99.2	99.0	102.5	97.0	99.9		103.9	93.0
McKeen's		99.0	94.6	105.7	94.9	99.2	102.1	101.2	94.9
Eldon MacDonald		98.8				95.8	100.8	99.8	
Christopher Ralph	98.7				102.0	99.3	94.7
Ryan Kennedy		97.4	98.6		93.2	100.7	98.5	101.0	92.7
Last Word on Sports	97.3	94.1	99.3	90.8	103.1	99.1	97.6	
Corey Pronman		96.2	100.1	86.9	85.8	99.9	95.4	104.1	101.1
ISS			95.8	96.9	98.2	89.2	98.4	99.4	93.3	95.0
Ryan Pike		95.7	94.3		86.6	106.2
Scott Wheeler		95.3	92.1	98.6
As expected, McKenzie is generally right around 100. Future Considerations had a few very good years. Button had a terrible 2013 and excellent 2014 and 2016 rankings. Pronman was awful in 2017 and 2018. ISS is not good. Wheeler didn't do well, but it was only a 2 draft sample for him. Overall the NHL GMs get better results than the expert rankings.

So what does it all mean? Probably not much but I thought some of you may find it interesting.
Where would Byron Bader’s model rank I wonder.
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Just a tidbit but FC had Potter ranked at 9.
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Old 06-29-2025, 01:51 PM   #23
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Just a tidbit but FC had Potter ranked at 9.
Will Scouch had him 5th
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Old 06-29-2025, 05:51 PM   #24
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I'd be more interested in what pundit had the draft in the correct order by how the players turned out, than the correct order in how they were selected.
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I'd be more interested in what pundit had the draft in the correct order by how the players turned out, than the correct order in how they were selected.
Imagine the odds in that.
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Old 06-29-2025, 08:37 PM   #26
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I find these fascinating and wanted to say thank you for the hours that people put into this, and then willingly share their passion and knowledge.

One question for those that do this; do you find it getting easier over time to be more accurate, or is every year and every judgment call different?

Thank you again for sharing your expertise and your time.
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Old 06-29-2025, 08:59 PM   #27
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I'd be more interested in what pundit had the draft in the correct order by how the players turned out, than the correct order in how they were selected.
Agreed. Experts love to grade each team’s draft. Would love to see how accurate those grades are 5+ years later.
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I'd be more interested in what pundit had the draft in the correct order by how the players turned out, than the correct order in how they were selected.
That’s what I was thinking. Of course, some mock drafts are the order who the pundit thinks should be drafted and some are who they think will be drafted.

It’d be a tough exercise given different points for different positions. Games played?
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Old 06-30-2025, 10:17 AM   #29
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That’s what I was thinking. Of course, some mock drafts are the order who the pundit thinks should be drafted and some are who they think will be drafted.

It’d be a tough exercise given different points for different positions. Games played?
That's what the original post in this thread was doing - I used the Hockey Reference Point Share numbers to evaluate actual performance of the players and weighted by the ranking for each prognosticator in each draft. Point shares was the best way I could think of to compare across positions and skill sets.
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This thread is great! very interesting.
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