[Rumour] Friedman on the deal that fell through between Toronto and Calgary

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Now that you mention it, we woud always hear about how tight lipped Treliving was and didn't want things to get out in the media and yet here we are, he's been a GM in 2 cities now, and we get leaks a plenty.

A half dozen people on each team are involved in trade talks. The GM, AGMs, president of hockey operations, head of pro scouting, the capologist, advanced stats guru. Toronto has the most intense media presence of any city in the league cultivating contacts. I’d assume it’s a pretty leaky organization.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

No.

Edwards is a big boy who has been in business for many years. He has probably faced this situation dozens of times, where a valuable employee decided to make a move.

I will say...and this is my own opinion...the higher the position in these big corporations, and the more public and competitive the industries are, the more petty and vendictive people tend to be.

Big egos at those levels.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

No.

Edwards is a big boy who has been in business for many years. He has probably faced this situation dozens of times, where a valuable employee decided to make a move.

To be fair, the Flames were initially not going to let Treliving interview for jobs until his contract officially expired after the draft and the day before free agency would have begun.

That would have significantly hurt Treliving's chances at getting a GM job this season.

Only after some backlash did they allow him to interview.

[cam_calderon]

Was it ever confirmed he personally delivered an epic tongue lashing to Johnny?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I expect any significant retention has to be run past Edwards.

We still don’t know if he’s willing to retain in order to maximize return. I guess we’ll find out in the next few months.

We don't know ... have to agree.

But I think we have a very strong assumption that he is based on Conroy talking about retaining all three of his retention slots after trading Zadorov.

Can't really walk that out as why the deal was good if you've been told you can't retain on other deals either.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Toonage

What is it with Treliving that as his career progressed his deals sound like they get weirder and more complicated?

He went from trading a pick for Bollig and now you need a compass to figure out the Monahan to Montreal scenario and then we hear this was going to be "complicated"

I wouldn't deal with him just so I didn't have to put up with the escape room he puts you in.

In this case I doubt Treliving had much choice. The Leafs have no cap room and few tradeable assets so making a deal for both Tanev and Zadorov was going to be difficult no matter what.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I don't like it coming out that the team was willing to move Tanev. We don't know who was on the block for Toronto. Who's leaking this?

He is only a UFA with no plan to resign

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

We don't know ... have to agree.

But I think we have a very strong assumption that he is based on Conroy talking about retaining all three of his retention slots after trading Zadorov.

Can't really walk that out as why the deal was good if you've been told you can't retain on other deals either.

Can’t expect he would go public with any constraints the owner may apply, such as if the owner won’t let him retain - any detail could weaken the negotiating position

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

No.

Edwards is a big boy who has been in business for many years. He has probably faced this situation dozens of times, where a valuable employee decided to make a move.

If Silicon Valley is to be believed, Billionaires spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to mildly annoy people they have history with.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Silicon Valley is to be believed, Billionaires spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to mildly annoy people they have history with.

Warren Buffett bought a company - Berkshire Hathaway (LOL) just so he could fire the CEO:

https://archive.is/TEcWs

[Red_Baron]

Sounds like the classic Treliving "we almost had that guy" story.
Leafs fans should get used to it.

[Jacks]

Treliving just can't let a dollar go by without spending it. If he hadn't signed Klingberg (and Reeves) he would have cap room to manoeuvre without needing max retention on everything. I agree with Burkie, there is no reason that most of the league, including non playoff teams, should be capped out all the time.


Edit: forgot Klingberg is on season ending LTIR now but point still stands.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I don't see Toronto as a good fit as a trading partner.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Can’t expect he would go public with any constraints the owner may apply, such as if the owner won’t let him retain - any detail could weaken the negotiating position

Can't imagine he'd go public talking about an opportunity and flexibility they've opened up if he didn't think they had that in their arsenal.

Just sets him and owner up to long foolish down the road.

If they can't retain it will get pretty obvious in the negotiations, and not hurt their position any more than not being able to retain in the first place.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Treliving was trying to create the most Maple Flames defense you'd ever seen.

Not sure that's the best course of action for a team that's trying to compete. Conroy was kind of saving Brad from himself a little there.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I don't see Toronto as a good fit as a trading partner.

I can if they give us what we want...Knies is a beast and they have a 1st, along with other decent prospects.

edit: not saying we'd get all of those, just what is potentially available.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Treliving was trying to create the most Maple Flames defense you'd ever seen.

Not sure that's the best course of action for a team that's trying to compete. Conroy was kind of saving Brad from himself a little there.

Jordan Oesterle for a 6th

Book it

[cannon7]

Annoying that we didn't get any names of Leafs players/prospects that may have been involved, yet Tanev gets thrown into the mix.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Annoying that we didn't get any names of Leafs players/prospects that may have been involved, yet Tanev gets thrown into the mix.

Which sorta suggests EF got info from the TO side doesn't it?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Which sorta suggests EF got info from the TO side doesn't it?

Yes, agree. Think the same thing happened with the Kadri-Brodie debacle. In the same vein, Leafs likely stil have their sights set on Tanev.