[Game Takes] Avalanche 3 Flames 1

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gullfoss

so six teams in the middle and only 2 of them will make it...that's a 33% chance for any given of the six teams to make the playoffs.

What are the flames chances again?

31%

[Enoch Root]

I would put the Blues in the 'fighting for a wildcard spot' group. ARI beats them once, and the two teams are tied. Four other teams are one victory behind that.

I would say 6 free and clear. Six in a dogfight. And 2 that have the capability of climbing back into that dogfight.

And of the 6 in a dogfight, I think ANA is a complete pretender - they will fade out pretty quick, I would think.

[Enoch Root]

Vladar didn't play the wraparound goal well at all - no question about that. But the defenseman played it even worse IMO. He can't chase behind the net, he needs to cut in front and cut him off at the far post. Played poorly by everyone.

The 3rd goal was also bad, but then he played great the rest of the way.

I thought the Flames played really well, and could have had a better fate, but you have to give COL credit - their defensive zone coverage was excellent, and they got a lot of sticks on passes and shots. Zary looked to have an open net, for example, until Byrom tied up his stick. There were a bunch of plays like that. Makar blocking Ruzicka's shot, when it looked like he had an open net, was another.

[Bingo]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1729143083629953205

[Enoch Root]

Exactly.

And every year, there will be 2 or 3 decent to good teams that get off to slow starts, leaving 8th place artificially low. Every year, those teams start rising to where they should be, as the season goes on.

Also, as someone already noted, games get tighter as the season goes on, and there are more and more 3-pt games.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Vladar was fantastic in the 3rd period. Probably wanted the floater back. Gilbert was more to blame on the wraparound than the goalie was.

Hard to win with when only a scoring once. Too bad they couldn't bank a couple from the Dallas game.

At best he's had a couple decent periods this year, but he still wasn't good enough. I don't get how some will go to great lengths to applaud Vladar, even when he's mediocre-awful (which is often).

The guy is rocking a 3.60GAA and .869 SV%.....Nothing about what's going on when he's in net is "fantastic". It's not all his fault, but he's certainly not looking like a he's bouncing back from a pretty bad year last year.

[Bingo]

Yeah Vladar just isn't getting it done.

He has worse numbers on Markstrom in all three categories; low, medium and high danger shots.

His save percentage on high danger stuff is brutal ... .737, only 5 goalies with 200 or more minutes are worse (two of them Oilers!) and that's out of 66 goaltenders.

The Flames aren't hanging him out to dry though, he's averaging 6.2 high danger chances per 60 minutes, Markstrom 9.6.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Vladar played the wrap around exceedingly poorly. D doesn’t win a race across the front of the net around their own goalie to cut that play off

PP stunk. Need to shore that up

Not gonna win many scoring 1



As for ‘not getting it done’, he is still 3-2-1 and Marky is 5-7-2. So depends what you mean by ‘getting it done’

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Vladar played the wrap around exceedingly poorly. D doesn’t win a race across the front of the net around their own goalie to cut that play off

PP stunk. Need to shore that up

Not gonna win many scoring 1



As for ‘not getting it done’, he is still 3-2-1 and Marky is 5-7-2. So depends what you mean by ‘getting it done’

I was replying to a comment on Vladar, not the powerplay or the fact that Flames scored one goal.

My game story above didn't hang the whole game on Vladar.

And the numbers point to him struggling despite the team winning some of the games.

Are you suggesting Vladar has been better than Markstrom because of win/loss record?

[DoubleK]

I feel like I started this.

I probably should have prefaced my Vladar comments with "I was shocked that he didn't completely suck."

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I was replying to a comment on Vladar, not the powerplay or the fact that Flames scored one goal.

My game story above didn't hang the whole game on Vladar.

And the numbers point to him struggling despite the team winning some of the games.

Are you suggesting Vladar has been better than Markstrom because of win/loss record?

Only my last sentence was replying to a specific post by you, I felt the PP comment applied to the game

I’ll say this. The team overall gets a win loss record. Winning is getting it done
The record is distributed amongst goalies, and no other players

We don’t need to review the limitations of sv% and xG stats

I’m not suggesting one has been better than the other. They’ve both been fine

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Only my last sentence was replying to a specific post by you, I felt the PP comment applied to the game

I’ll say this. The team overall gets a win loss record. Winning is getting it done
The record is distributed amongst goalies, and no other players

We don’t need to review the limitations of sv% and xG stats

I’m not suggesting one has been better than the other. They’ve both been fine

I just don't see goal support as a goalie skill.

Vladar has the Flames at 3.5 goals per game this year, Markstrom at 2.7 and he had the Calgary 7 goal game!

The Flames have only won a single game all year scoring less than 3 goals.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't see goal support as a goalie skill.

Vladar has the Flames at 3.5 goals per game this year, Markstrom at 2.7 and he had the Calgary 7 goal game!

The Flames have only won a single game all year scoring less than 3 goals.

True. However, I believe that winning is a skill. And doing enough to get that win is what matters, IMO.

An example I like to use is HOF pitcher Jack Morris. I never really liked him as a pitcher, and I didn't think his stuff was all that awesome. But all he did was win. When his team scored 6, he gave up 5. When his team scored 2, he gave up 1. When he was playing, I never bought into the 'wins' stat, but over time, I have come to value it much more. In sports, winning is everything. And doing what needs to be done, to get the W, is all that matters.

Gretzky always talked about Fuhr that way. He didn't always have the best stats, but he was great at coming up with the big save when they needed it.

Vladar is like that. In close games, in the 3rd period, is when he has been at his best. Even though he has been very average this year, he has made the big save, late in the game, several times.

The record speaks for itself.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

True. However, I believe that winning is a skill. And doing enough to get that win is what matters, IMO.

An example I like to use is HOF pitcher Jack Morris. I never really liked him as a pitcher, and I didn't think his stuff was all that awesome. But all he did was win. When his team scored 6, he gave up 5. When his team scored 2, he gave up 1. When he was playing, I never bought into the 'wins' stat, but over time, I have come to value it much more. In sports, winning is everything. And doing what needs to be done, to get the W, is all that matters.

Gretzky always talked about Fuhr that way. He didn't always have the best stats, but he was great at coming up with the big save when they needed it.

Vladar is like that. In close games, in the 3rd period, is when he has been at his best. Even though he has been very average this year, he has made the big save, late in the game, several times.

The record speaks for itself.

This was essentially what Markstrom did against Dallas. At least two that people questioned went in (neither as bad as Vlad's though). Then he shut the door in the third and got the run support.