[News] Leafs place D John Klingberg on LTIR

[TheScorpion]

Klingberg is on a one-year deal he just signed. Pretty sure we'd have heard about him filing a grievance if the Leafs were trying to stiffarm him into going on LTIR.

This isn't a convenience. He's pretty clearly just too broken to play good hockey right now.

[Domoic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Klingberg is on a one-year deal he just signed. Pretty sure we'd have heard about him filing a grievance if the Leafs were trying to stiffarm him into going on LTIR.

This isn't a convenience. He's pretty clearly just too broken to play good hockey right now.

What if they paid him under the table to accept the LTIR?

[bluejays]

While sometimes the cap is circumvented just in time for the guy to return for the playoffs, I don't think this one is the case. Klingberg is on a 1 year deal. If anything he'd want to play to get a better contract next year. On the other hand, it IS suspicious how big contracts get injured long term.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Klingberg is on a one-year deal he just signed. Pretty sure we'd have heard about him filing a grievance if the Leafs were trying to stiffarm him into going on LTIR.

This isn't a convenience. He's pretty clearly just too broken to play good hockey right now.

I'll play devils advocate here. When the leafs (Treliving) signed Klingberg in the off-season, the reactions I remember were that he was a huge defensive liability and the exact opposite of what the leafs should be looking for. Many suggested the leafs would regret this signing before he played a single game.

Now we're a quarter of the way into the season and the leafs regret the signing and want him gone. As you said he's on a one year contract. As a player on a one year contract who's playing on the most heavily scrutinized team in the league and playing for a contract next year would you a) fight tooth and nail to play every game, become a scapegoat for your crappy play and file a grievance against your team if they try to bury you on LTIR ( has this ever even happened before? ) or b) let the team pay you to not play and blame your performance on an injury in the hopes that another team will sign you next year because "you're healthy now"?

[Domoic]

How about neither? Is there an option “C”?

[Freddy]

Do they have cap space now to trade for Hanifin, Tanev, or Zadorov? Who best fits their budget and how much can Conroy pry away from his previous boss? Hopefully the Leafs new found cap space triggers an arms race in the East the Flames can exploit.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Domoic

How about neither? Is there an option “C”?

You do understand the concept of devils advocate? I'm not suggesting those are the only two options, I'm just responding to the idea that Klingberg wouldn't accept LTIR if he didn't need it because he wants a contract next season and suggesting it could very well be in his best interest to not play and suck while still getting paid.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It might not matter except that multiple recent cup winners have utilized it and iced line ups that would exceed the cap in playoffs. When you're talking about it factoring into championships, I think it deserves greater attention.

How are we deciding the best team of the lot each year when it isn't being played on an even playing field. For a game that people pour so much money into each year and league that's touted as the best in the world there should at the very least be integrity with these things. Otherwise it's only the best at certain things, and bush league with others.

Nailed it. The process has been abused for far too long.

[Jimdon]

There is absolutely no reason for the salary cap to disappear in the playoffs for the team on the ice. I get it, you have black aces and injured players going in and out of the lineup throughout the playoffs so your roster could be much bigger in the playoffs than the regular season, that's fine. Let everyone have no cap on their roster. There is zero reason why the team on the ice should be allowed to be way over the cap. It makes no sense.

[Domoic]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

You do understand the concept of devils advocate? I'm not suggesting those are the only two options, I'm just responding to the idea that Klingberg wouldn't accept LTIR if he didn't need it because he wants a contract next season and suggesting it could very well be in his best interest to not play and suck while still getting paid.

Yes I do. Thanks for the unnecessary insult. Do you feel better about yourself now?

I was trying to further your point that there may be other reasons for him to accept LTIR, I'm addition to what you posted.

But you can be a dik. Good choice.

Effin CP.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Domoic

Yes I do. Thanks for the unnecessary insult. Do you feel better about yourself now?

I was trying to further your point that there may be other reasons for him to accept LTIR, I'm addition to what you posted.

But you can be a dik. Good choice.

Effin CP.

What insult? Did I miss something here??

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The league does look into specific situations
The issue is teams can have a roster that exceeds the cap in the playoffs. But that’s how the rules are written.
The idea that players are faking injuries is overblown

Got that 100% right.

Players get hurt all the time, some of them for a long time. Its a really hard game.

To suggest a player is OK to play, but instead plays nice to help the team is absurd to me.

What benefit does Klingburg get out of this?

His value as a UFA next summer is tanked.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Domoic

What if they paid him under the table to accept the LTIR?

Do you think they are paying him under the table? How much money if you are making 4 million a year and know that going on LTIR when you are not injured could cost you 3-5 million USD in future earnings because you cannot play and show if you have any value would you have to take to go on LTIR?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Domoic

What if they paid him under the table to accept the LTIR?

It would have to be an enormous sum, because Klingberg took a 1 yr contract and bet on himself so he can get paid next year.

He did the same a year ago, both cases backfired costing him quite a bit because the rumored Dallas offer at the time was 63M over 8 years. He only made 11.15M in 2 years as a result and is probably looking at league min next year.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Got that 100% right.

Players get hurt all the time, some of them for a long time. Its a really hard game.

To suggest a player is OK to play, but instead plays nice to help the team is absurd to me.

What benefit does Klingburg get out of this?

His value as a UFA next summer is tanked.

The only one I found to be really fishy is Matt Murray. My conspiracy theory is they threatened to buy him out which would take away 4m in his pocket over the next two years, with a good chance he doesn’t get an NHL job again. It works for all parties in that situation.

[dino7c]

Duncan Keith retires after being one of their better dman in the playoffs and gets a fake job in the organization

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

LTIR needs to be fixed.

Getting way too “convenient” for these teams that overspend.

I think it needs to be removed. Think teams need to manage Cap contingency and be allowed to bring other players up/trade for overages that count to the Cap the following year.

[MrMike]

Why not just let teams trade cap space? Within a limit of course.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

It would have to be an enormous sum, because Klingberg took a 1 yr contract and bet on himself so he can get paid next year.

He did the same a year ago, both cases backfired costing him quite a bit because the rumored Dallas offer at the time was 63M over 8 years. He only made 11.15M in 2 years as a result and is probably looking at league min next year.

Man Dallas dodged an artillery shell with that one. Especially with how Dallas is looking as a team these days Klingberg must be full of regret.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Duncan Keith retires after being one of their better dman in the playoffs and gets a fake job in the organization

That wasn't LTIR. Fixing LTIR would not affect shenanigans involving actual retirement.