Getting an EU Passport (dual)

[opendoor]

Be thankful you're not applying to Italy, they have the weirdest and most archaic rules. My mom and her whole side of the family were all born in Italy, but I'm ineligible for Italian citizenship. But my friend whose great great grandfather immigrated from Italy in the late 1800s and whose entire family back several generations (other than this one guy) was born in North America is technically eligible.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Be thankful you're not applying to Italy, they have the weirdest and most archaic rules. My mom and her whole side of the family were all born in Italy, but I'm ineligible for Italian citizenship. But my friend whose great great grandfather immigrated from Italy in the late 1800s and whose entire family back several generations (other than this one guy) was born in North America is technically eligible.

It's Italy, you probably gotta know a guy. Otherwise don't even bother trying to get a passport. Or a place in Tuscany. There are none available.

[calgarygeologist]

I went through the process, with help from my mom, of getting my citizenship and EU passport done about three years ago. The process was done through Poland and involved a bunch of steps. First I had to get my German birth certificate translated into English in Canada. Then that Canadian English birth certificate was send to the Polish embassy to get translated into Polish. After that I had to meet with someone at the Embassy to get some paperwork done and signed in order to get my citizenship process started. My mom took those papers to Poland to get my citizenship done. Once I had my Polish SIN equivalent I could apply for my EU passport through the embassy here in Canada. Had to do a bunch of forms and then that was sent over to Poland and a passport was mailed to me. I think it took about 9 or so months altogether. My citizenship isn't 100% officially finished because the last step requires me to visit an office in Poland and I haven't been over there yet to do that.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I've actually been thinking the same, since I can get it through my parents. One of te things I have always wondered, does getting the Passport have any effects on taxes?

Depends on the tax rules of the company you're obtaining a passport from. Canada has taxation rules based on residency. Other countries may have different rules.

[Barnet Flame]

In respect of getting an Irish passport, “You are automatically an Irish citizen if you were born on the island of Ireland before 2005 or if you were born abroad to a parent who was born on the island of Ireland before 2005”.

The process should not cost you any money beyond the cost of the passport and getting the necessary documentation including birth certificates and provision of national ID in the case of dual citizens.

[Bagor]

I'm Irish.
Kids have their Irish passport based on me producing my passport and birth cert.
If your parents were born there very straightforward.

On a side note I just renewed in the easiest online process ever where filled out my old passport details, took a pic with my cell phone against the bathroom door, uploaded and approved , paid the fee and done.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

In respect of getting an Irish passport, “You are automatically an Irish citizen if you were born on the island of Ireland before 2005 or if you were born abroad to a parent who was born on the island of Ireland before 2005”.

The process should not cost you any money beyond the cost of the passport and getting the necessary documentation including birth certificates and provision of national ID in the case of dual citizens.

You have to register your foreign birth to get a passport. To do so as an adult comes with a 278 euro fee.

https://www.dfa.ie/citizenship/born-...foreign-birth/

I think most people will need to order documents as well.

Edited to add: this is for if your grandparent was born in Ireland OR if you want to pass it down to your descendents

[Bagor]

Is this a new thing or are they treating citizenship different to applying for a passport.
If you follow the algorithm for born abroad to a parent born in Ireland it doesn't ask for that?

Says also takes about 9 months?

[Delthefunky]

I had proof of citizenship and it was really easy in Sweden (they did it at the police station). A consulate might be able to do it, an embassy is probably better, but being in the country is definitely the easiest.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Is this a new thing or are they treating citizenship different to applying for a passport.
If you follow the algorithm for born abroad to a parent born in Ireland it doesn't ask for that?

Says also takes about 9 months?

Anybody whose parent was born in Ireland is automatically a citizen, so they wouldn't necessarily need to do this process to get a passport.

However, to pass that citizenship on to their descendents, or if you are applying based on a grandparent, you need to be on the foreign births registry.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Anybody whose parent was born in Ireland is automatically a citizen, so they wouldn't necessarily need to do this process to get a passport.

However, to pass that citizenship on to their descendents, or if you are applying based on a grandparent, you need to be on the foreign births registry.

Yeah, in looking into it a bit more, it really doesn't seem much different than getting a Canadian passport... You're a citizen, you just need to provide some documents to prove it and then you get a passport.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by you&me

Yeah, in looking into it a bit more, it really doesn't seem much different than getting a Canadian passport... You're a citizen, you just need to provide some documents to prove it and then you get a passport.

For sure. In the case of my wife she wanted to pass the citizenship to our kids, which meant she had to be on the foreign birth registry before they were born, since she applied based on her grandfather.

If it's a parent you don't need foreign birth registry for yourself, only if you want to pass it down.

[DAN0383]

I'm a dual Canadian/French citizen.
I was born in Calgary but my mom was born in France, so I've technically been a French citizen since birth.
I got my French passport in 2016 and it was very easy. The French consulate had a rep here in Calgary to help French ex-pat's with documentation issues and I had to fill out some forms and provide proof of my mom being from France and my birth certificate, etc, along with passport photos.
A couple months later, my French passport was mailed to a lawyers office in Calgary and I picked it up.
If that consulate rep wasn't in Calgary I would have had to go to the consulate in Vancouver to do all the paperwork, thankfully that was not the case.

[Wormius]

Question is why do you want an EU passport?

Unless it gives you some specific visa-free travel options, or you’re moving there and plan to travel out of Europe, it isn’t really worth it over your Canadian one.

You could just get an ID card instead, if you needed something. Passports are clunky anyway.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I went through the process, with help from my mom, of getting my citizenship and EU passport done about three years ago. The process was done through Poland and involved a bunch of steps. First I had to get my German birth certificate translated into English in Canada. Then that Canadian English birth certificate was send to the Polish embassy to get translated into Polish. After that I had to meet with someone at the Embassy to get some paperwork done and signed in order to get my citizenship process started. My mom took those papers to Poland to get my citizenship done. Once I had my Polish SIN equivalent I could apply for my EU passport through the embassy here in Canada. Had to do a bunch of forms and then that was sent over to Poland and a passport was mailed to me. I think it took about 9 or so months altogether. My citizenship isn't 100% officially finished because the last step requires me to visit an office in Poland and I haven't been over there yet to do that.

I was also planning on getting my Polish citizenship through my parents, so this is very helpful, thank you. Do you know if there is any tax implications just holding the citizenship?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Question is why do you want an EU passport?

Unless it gives you some specific visa-free travel options, or you’re moving there and plan to travel out of Europe, it isn’t really worth it over your Canadian one.

You could just get an ID card instead, if you needed something. Passports are clunky anyway.

It means you don’t have restrictions on time you can spend in the EU, i.e. 90 days in any 180 day period.

If you can get an Irish passport, that covers you for the UK as well as the UK and Ireland are part of the Common Travel Area (CTA).

[Table 5]

We got our kids their Euro citizenship/passports in case they ever want to live or go to school there. Sure it doesn't provide a huge incentive now, but the process takes a long time (over a year of back and forth), and who knows what the rules will be later. In some ways, it also helps them connect a bit to their heritage.

Having a second passport/citizenship in hand can also act as a bit of an insurance policy in case #### hits the fan in your country of residence. Sure the chances of that in Canada are low...but hey, the world is in a funny place these days. I'd rather have that second passport handy now, instead of scrambling later (when everyone else would be too).

Alternatively, we could've got our kids American citizenship (my wife is American) but we're not going to touch that unless it's necessary. The American system is pretty heavy-handed, and once you're in the system, you're in the system for life no matter where you live.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

It means you don’t have restrictions on time you can spend in the EU, i.e. 90 days in any 180 day period.

If you can get an Irish passport, that covers you for the UK as well as the UK and Ireland are part of the Common Travel Area (CTA).

Yeah, I mean I think I was just confused with people using passport and citizenship interchangeably. You don’t need a “passport“ for the above, just proof of Irish citizenship, which could be the ID card.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I was also planning on getting my Polish citizenship through my parents, so this is very helpful, thank you. Do you know if there is any tax implications just holding the citizenship?

No tax implications that I know of although from what I understand it might be possible to convert CPP to the Polish equivalent with citizenship if someone wanted to retire in Poland. They have an pension plan agreement but I haven't looked at the details.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Table 5

We got our kids their Euro citizenship/passports in case they ever want to live or go to school there. Sure it doesn't provide a huge incentive now, but the process takes a long time (over a year of back and forth), and who knows what the rules will be later. In some ways, it also helps them connect a bit to their heritage.

Having a second passport/citizenship in hand can also act as a bit of an insurance policy in case #### hits the fan in your country of residence. Sure the chances of that in Canada are low...but hey, the world is in a funny place these days. I'd rather have that second passport handy now, instead of scrambling later (when everyone else would be too).

Alternatively, we could've got our kids American citizenship (my wife is American) but we're not going to touch that unless it's necessary. The American system is pretty heavy-handed, and once you're in the system, you're in the system for life no matter where you live.

I’ve got some news for you; your kids are American citizens then. If a parent is a US citizen, the kids are automatically.