Senators forfeit 1st round pick (in 2024, 2025 or 2026) because of Dadonov trade

[Jacks]

Guess I'm the only one that agrees with this and thinks the Sens deserved to be penalized. They traded a player with the understanding that the player had no trade protection when he did have a no trade list. That then caused the receiving team a bunch of problems. I don't care if it's Vegas or the Coyotes that got the player, the Sens screwed up.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That’s the craziest spin on the wheel of justice to date. The player wasn’t negatively impact by this at all, and the league caught them as it was going down. So they are punished because their new golden child (who didn’t do their own homework) got bad press for a minute? This is insane.

If the league figures Ottawa has not being honest with Vegas, or was underhanded, there should be a punishment. What that should be, I dunno.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I was going to say, after a couple people were shouting down the idea of the Flames getting different treatment in the Andersson/McAvoy situation and calling homer, this example comes up and it’s pretty hard to argue that this is anything but fair.

NHL plays with kid gloves for some teams (original six and markets they have big financial interest in) and gives the gears to mid-market teams like the Flames and the Senators.

This is the think, they can call me a ridiculous homer in the other thread

am I a Sens homer now too? call a spade a spade

the NHL has its favourites

Sens did something wrong sure...look at ####ing Chicago with Bedard now. They ruined a young mans life FFS.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I seem to remember Lamoriello getting dinged for a draft pick in Jersey way back, only to have the League recind the penalty a year later just before the draft.

Edit: Whoops. My memory likes to blend things together and then add in a layer of cloudiness to really make sure I screw things up. It was Arizona...

The Devils forfeited a 1st round pick in the Kovalchuk deal, and then even when they went to the finals, they didn't give up that year. The NHL later changed it to moving their pick to the last pick in the 1st round.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Guess I'm the only one that agrees with this and thinks the Sens deserved to be penalized. They traded a player with the understanding that the player had no trade protection when he did have a no trade list. That then caused the receiving team a bunch of problems. I don't care if it's Vegas or the Coyotes that got the player, the Sens screwed up.

Okay, but if there was a problem with it, the trade shouldn't have been approved. But it was.

If the player had a no-trade clause, his agent should have brought that up at time of trade. He didn't.

Once March rolls around and they discover there is a problem, that is as much on the league, Vegas, and the agent, as it is on Ottawa. Too late to hammer them like this, IMO.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Am I to believe the league would have done the same thing if it was Vegas or New York who messed up?

Absolutely bush league. I'd be livid.

Well given mistakes like this don't happen often it's really hard to say. Hundreds of trades have come and gone over the years but this is the first time a team hasn't disclosed all contract details or got caught not disclosing all contract details. I personally don't have an issue with this punishment as it could have very well been the Flames on the receiving end and if you are going to trade a player it's pretty important that you disclose important contract information such as no trade clauses. I guess the only thing I would question is the diligence done on the other end when acquiring the player. Given the stiff punishment it's possible Ottawa may have purposely withheld the information.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I'm all in favour of punishing Ottawa, even if it's unfairly.

[KelVarnsen]

Still better than trading away a 1st so you could sign Kadri

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, but if there was a problem with it, the trade shouldn't have been approved. But it was.

If the player had a no-trade clause, his agent should have brought that up at time of trade. He didn't.

Once March rolls around and they discover there is a problem, that is as much on the league, Vegas, and the agent, as it is on Ottawa. Too late to hammer them like this, IMO.

The trade to Anaheim shouldn't have been approved and IIRC it was the agent who in fact brought it up, and that's why it was rescinded. I think the've now revamped the approval process to avoid hitting the "approve button" without evidence of the clause being waived. As I understand it, the approval is a one page form to the league and they stamp it. The contracts etc are not sent to the league for vetting. I bet the form now has a box to tick for no NTC/NTC waived.

The penalty is because Ottawa failed to disclose the NTC to Vegas. The agent had no need to mention it at that time becauseIIRC it didn't apply to a trade to Vegas.

If the rules are that Ottawa was supposed to disclose it to Vegas (just like an injury) or if Vegas asked the question and Ottawa was dishonest or somehow avoided it, then there should be repercussions.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, but if there was a problem with it, the trade shouldn't have been approved. But it was.

If the player had a no-trade clause, his agent should have brought that up at time of trade. He didn't.

Once March rolls around and they discover there is a problem, that is as much on the league, Vegas, and the agent, as it is on Ottawa. Too late to hammer them like this, IMO.

Why wouldn't the initial trade have been approved?
Neither Vegas or the league knew the player had a no trade list because he Sens said that he didn't.
Vegas wasn't on Dadonov's no trade list so why would the player/agent have brought it up? They filed the paperwork properly so they assumed that the Sens would have provided his no trade list to Vegas.

The only reason anyone ever found out is because Vegas traded him to the Ducks who were on his no trade list, at that point the player/agent said "wait a minute". The Sens and only the Sens screwed up.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it's a little harsh on the surface, but I don't know what they found in their investigation. Maybe it wasn't just an honest mistake.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Guess I'm the only one that agrees with this and thinks the Sens deserved to be penalized. They traded a player with the understanding that the player had no trade protection when he did have a no trade list. That then caused the receiving team a bunch of problems. I don't care if it's Vegas or the Coyotes that got the player, the Sens screwed up.

I'm fine with them being penalized, but forfeiting a 1st round pick seems more than excessive. Forfeiting a 3rd or something like that would be a different story, but this certainly seems over the top. Especially when you remember that Chicago went unpunished for the Beach situation.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'm fine with them being penalized, but forfeiting a 1st round pick seems more than excessive. Forfeiting a 3rd or something like that would be a different story, but this certainly seems over the top. Especially when you remember that Chicago went unpunished for the Beach situation.

I mean there is really nothing else to say...we can go back and forth but this is it

[butterfly]

Why couldn't Las Vegas just read Dadonov's contract?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Why couldn't Las Vegas just read Dadonov's contract?

My understanding (can't remember what podcast or article I read this in) is that Ottawa said that the agent had failed to submit the No Trade List, thus voiding the conditions. This is often part of these conditions, if the player or agent don't submit the list, the NTC is off.

So the trade was made based on that understanding, and then the agent produced proof that they had submitted the list to Ottawa.

Which is why this punishment is severe. Ottawa was either incompetent or lied. But in doing so they created issues for all the teams involved and the player.

[Royle9]

Sens apparently just fired Dorion over this?? WTF

[cral12]

Pierre Doh-rion.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Guess I'm the only one that agrees with this and thinks the Sens deserved to be penalized. They traded a player with the understanding that the player had no trade protection when he did have a no trade list. That then caused the receiving team a bunch of problems. I don't care if it's Vegas or the Coyotes that got the player, the Sens screwed up.

Vegas can't read?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Vegas can't read?

Nope. See my post above. Ottawa mis-represented things to the league and Vegas.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Sens apparently just fired Dorion over this?? WTF

Dorion and DJ Smith were probably gone anyway. New ownership just got a reason to do it sooner.