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Old 09-25-2023, 01:27 PM   #21
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No one until you just now has called him a traitor. Maybe he was a magnanimous hero of the people, maybe he was an agent of another county. Hard to say. Depends on what you want to believe. I mean there was a poster here who visited North Korea and came back spouting their talking points so anything’s possible.

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I'm genuinely surprised to see some of the responses here about how he's a traitor or Russian agent, I really wonder if the folks that are saying that have taken any time to try and understand his point of view and what he accomplished? I view him as a hero and someone who literally sacrificed his entire way of life and became a ####ing Pariah so that people could understand how bad surveillance was getting in a time where we just didn't know.
I'm sure the people calling him a Russian spy are the same people that think Musk is a moron.

So is the plight of the arrogantly ignorant.
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I'm sure the people calling him a Russian spy are the same people that think Musk is a moron.

So is the plight of the arrogantly ignorant.
I’m confident that these things have nothing to do with each other, however desperately aspiring Musk sycophants wants to shoehorn him into every conversation.
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Old 09-25-2023, 01:37 PM   #24
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Snowden brought to light the sort of shenanigans that the US empire loves to accuse other countries of doing and often is able to convince citizens in the west to believe. He revealed the hypocrisy of the US when they accuse other countries of things like, "they are a surveillance state" and "their citizens have no concept of privacy". I'd agree that he was really brave to do what he did. It was illegal based on his terms of employment and all that, but it was still something the world benefitted to know.
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It's still surprising to this day, and shows how sneaky and dishonorable the American government is and was, that people don't understand why he's in russia. He was in transit to go to Latin America when they revoked his passport and they stuck him there on purpose. Probably so that they could use the Russian agent talking points to discredit someone who exposed their illegal and unconstitutional activity.

That's what's really amazing too, the goddamn Espionage Act is so corrupt that he uncovered unconstitutional and illegal wiretapping and he still would be prosecuted.
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I'm surprised that people believed that American intelligence agencies didn't collect and misuse all the personal information they could on their own citizens as well as foreign entities before Snowden showed more proof. The FBI, for example, was caught collecting blackmail on "subversives" back in J Edgar Hoover's time, are people that naive that this was perceived as an outlier?

Not to say more evidence isn't useful, but mostly all it did was enable the wackdoodle conspiracy nuts to use as propaganda and reinforcement of their fantastical beliefs; it's not enough that the Americans are untrustworthy hypocrites (but with good intentions!), the Deep State has to have ill-defined but definitely malevolent designs on our precious bodily fluids.
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