Eliminate their almost limitless powers via legal and Union protection and I think you'll find that all of a sudden when 'Consequences' become a thing they'll start behaving themselves.
Funny how that works. When you're the one used to doling out the punishments and then all of a sudden they can come back your way.
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Eliminate their almost limitless powers via legal and Union protection and I think you'll find that all of a sudden when 'Consequences' become a thing they'll start behaving themselves.
Funny how that works. When you're the one used to doling out the punishments and then all of a sudden they can come back your way.
How is getting rid of their unions going to solve the problem? The unions aren’t the ones in charge of writing the laws that are used as the basis for their defence.
I think you’re getting a little desperate in your anti-union rhetoric. Ah who am I kidding? It’s always been pretty desperate
It's not that there aren't reasonable steps, Cliff's link is showing that the political climate doesn't exist for an embracing of the 'defund the police' movement, wholesale or otherwise. You'd have to really look at a piecemeal implementation of policy and keep it as far away as possible from any 'defund' association to not get laughed out of the room.
It's not that there aren't reasonable steps, Cliff's link is showing that the political climate doesn't exist for an embracing of the 'defund the police' movement, wholesale or otherwise. You'd have to really look at a piecemeal implementation of policy and keep it as far away as possible from any 'defund' association to not get laughed out of the room.
I agree with you that it was a very poor way to label their campaign but the actual intent should matter, no?
How is getting rid of their unions going to solve the problem? The unions aren’t the ones in charge of writing the laws that are used as the basis for their defence.
I think you’re getting a little desperate in your anti-union rhetoric. Ah who am I kidding? It’s always been pretty desperate
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I agree with you that it was a very poor way to label their campaign but the actual intent should matter, no?
Of course, but it doesn't help that any conversation about it just gets de-railed and shouted down by people that take the title literally. Would definitely help to re-label the movement
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Of course, but it doesn't help that any conversation about it just gets de-railed and shouted down by people that take the title literally. Would definitely help to re-label the movement
Yes. I think we've all got a pretty decent handle of the general IQ of the populace and their understanding of nuance and...its not good.
"Re-Allocate Police Funding" doesnt really have that 'Don Draper' ring to it.
But unfortunately I think people are correct in not really wanting this.
I know it sucks, and I think the principle of the idea has a lot of merit. Police are asked to do too much, but unfortunately people are unpredictable, especially now in the case of junkies and hobo encampments.
Sure, you can get a Social Worker in there, but even that guy is gonna want a man with training and a weapon to have his back.
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"Re-Allocate Police Funding" doesnt really have that 'Don Draper' ring to it.
But unfortunately I think people are correct in not really wanting this.
I know it sucks, and I think the principle of the idea has a lot of merit. Police are asked to do too much, but unfortunately people are unpredictable, especially now in the case of junkies and hobo encampments.
Sure, you can get a Social Worker in there, but even that guy is gonna want a man with training and a weapon to have his back.
Yeah, the answer is definitely in the middle rather than one way or the other. Partner a peace officer with a social worker rather than just send two cops, for example
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Proposals that would see fewer police on the streets enforcing the law do not have political support, even in the most Democrat of cities, and especially in Black communities.
As for proposals for things like hiring more social workers, few people are against them. They just don’t want to see them hired at the expense of fewer police. And then there’s the matter of where these social workers willing to go into dangerous places at all hours of the day and night are going to come from. Are candidates lining up to do that job?
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Proposals that would see fewer police on the streets enforcing the law do not have political support, even in the most Democrat of cities, and especially in Black communities.
As for proposals for things like hiring more social workers, few people are opposed to them. They just don’t want to see them hired at the expense of fewer police. And then there’s the matter of where these social workers willing to go into dangerous places at all hours of the day and night are going to come from. Are people lining up to do that job?
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Proposals that would see fewer police on the streets enforcing the law do not have political support, even in the most Democrat of cities, and especially in Black communities.
As for proposals for things like hiring more social workers, few people are opposed to them. They just don’t want to see them hired at the expense of fewer police. And then there’s the matter of where these social workers willing to go into dangerous places at all hours of the day and night are going to come from. Are people lining up to do that job?
Social workers already do a lot of those dangerous jobs and you don’t have to have fewer police to enact these changes.
You guys are also vastly overestimating the danger. I don't get to carry a weapon and deal with these people daily, and pretty sure the times I've been killed to death is zero
I agree with you that it was a very poor way to label their campaign but the actual intent should matter, no?
Sure, but if you market an idea poorly, the intent and vision is lost because people can’t see past the first thing they see / hear that pushes their buttons in the wrong way.
A good local example (albeit unrelated to policing) is the Olympic bid: Recall the Nenshi interview where he talks about his big regret regarding how he sold the Calgary Olympic bid. Nenshi wanting the Olympics was about getting much needed infrastructure built with funding from the provincial and federal governments, but by not marketing that aspect effectively (read: at all), the bid was soundly voted down by the public who saw it as wasteful spending and not “infrastructure at a discount”.
You guys are also vastly overestimating the danger. I don't get to carry a weapon and deal with these people daily, and pretty sure the times I've been killed to death is zero
Thats a shame.
I mean....good for you!
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How is, for example, a couple having a non-physically violent domestic dispute considered mortal danger to the person responding to it. Or a depressed person who is threatening to harm themselves? If the primary purpose of the police is to protect the public the. sending people who aren’t adequately trained to deal with those situations isn’t helping to achieve that goal.
The Minneapolis proposal was to dissolve the police department. Other campaigns called for funding cuts. Or to abolish the police altogether.
This notion that nobody really wanted to defund the police is gaslighting.
The abolish the police movement definitely exists, and is BS, but that's very different from the defund the police movement.
Also pretty sure the Minneapolis movement specifically was about dissolving that particular corrupt, ####ty police department and replacing it with a new one, not just getting rid of all cops. But I could be wrong there
How is, for example, a couple having a non-physically violent domestic dispute considered mortal danger to the person responding to it. Or a depressed person who is threatening to harm themselves? If the primary purpose of the police is to protect the public the. sending people who aren’t adequately trained to deal with those situations isn’t helping to achieve that goal.
Yeah. And you dont know any of that is true until you actually get there.
I wouldnt go.
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How is, for example, a couple having a non-physically violent domestic dispute considered mortal danger to the person responding to it. Or a depressed person who is threatening to harm themselves? If the primary purpose of the police is to protect the public the. sending people who aren’t adequately trained to deal with those situations isn’t helping to achieve that goal.
Look no further than medics too. They run into these situations alone all the time, very, very rare that they get attacked.
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