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View Poll Results: Pick the best prospect from the following
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Bell, Parker
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Boltmann, Jake
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Chechelev, daniil
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Ciona, Lucas
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Hurtig, Axel
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Jones, Ben
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Kerins, Rory
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Klapka, Adam
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Koumontzis, Demetrios
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Kuznetsov, Yan
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Lipinski, Jaden
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Littler, Cade
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Lyle, Brady
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Morin, Etienne
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45.10% |
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Nikolaev, Ilya
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Nodler, Josh
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Pettersen, Emilio Mathias
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Poirier, Jeremie
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Pospisil, Martin
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Ronni, Topi
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Schwindt, Cole
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Sergeev, Arseni
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Solovyov, Ilya
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Stromgren, William
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Suniev, Aydar
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Yegorov, Yegor
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07-14-2023, 12:53 PM
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#21
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First Line Centre
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Morin over poirier . Poirier has amazing skills but is the worst positioned d-man I've seen at the pro level. Morin has the higher floor and just as high of a ceiling IMO.
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07-14-2023, 12:54 PM
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#22
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Muta
I'm just a contrarian by nature. Oh, and I believe Kerins! will save this franchise.
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After Poirier and Morin, I am voting Kerins! all the way. One model (from Bader I think) has Kerins! as one of the highest NHL probabilities from all of the Flames prospects.
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07-14-2023, 12:57 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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Voted Pelltier over Honzek because he's closer to being an NHL player. Following that logic, I have to go with Poirier here over Morin. I think Morin might be a better player, but who knows how he progresses.
Poirier sounds like he's pretty close to making the jump into the NHL.
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k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
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07-14-2023, 01:10 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Poe969
Both guys look good but Poirier has more offensive instincts, and the best defenseman is the one that scores the most points right?
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Morin's NHLe was higher this year than Poirier was this year (never mind where Poirier was at 18)
Morin is the better offensive defenseman, without the shortcomings
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07-14-2023, 02:52 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Shiny Penny effect is strong with CP.
Poirier
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07-14-2023, 02:57 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Following the same logic that I used voting for Pelletier over Honzek. Poirier looked awesome in almost all the outings I went to while watching the Wranglers. There is something good there
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07-14-2023, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Shiny Penny effect is strong with CP.
Poirier
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Pretty well explained justifications in the thread for why people voted Morin. Maybe they're just thinking about it more than "the one whose name I've heard more."
Me? I have no excuse. I had just assumed Poirier had won last time since he's the better prospect over Zary, so I voted Morin this time. THANKS FOR NOTHING, ZARY.
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07-14-2023, 03:03 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Shiny Penny effect is strong with CP.
Poirier
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is it though? the top 5 prospects currently are
2019 7th rounder
2021 1st rounder
2019 1st rounder/2023 1st rounder
2020 1st rounder
and now a showdown between the 2020 3rd rounder and 2023 2nd rounder
given that 2023 has been sold as a deep draft I think that draft is slotting in sort of 'averagely' amongst our previous drafts
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07-14-2023, 03:16 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Picking Morin over Poirier, I consider to be shiny penny.
Another poster mentioned that if Morin was so good, how did he fall to the Flames?
That either means our prospect depth is poor or he's not that good.
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07-14-2023, 03:22 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Picking Morin over Poirier, I consider to be shiny penny.
Another poster mentioned that if Morin was so good, how did he fall to the Flames?
That either means our prospect depth is poor or he's not that good.
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This is the sixth prospect
A recent second round pick seems reasonable to land there for a middle of the road organization prospect wise
Morin seems to be more well rounded with similar upside to Poirier without the same level of risk/downside.
A valid choice for six that goes beyond a simplistic “shiny new object” complaint
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07-14-2023, 03:25 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
This is the sixth prospect
A recent second round pick seems reasonable to land there for a middle of the road organization prospect wise
Morin seems to be more well rounded with similar upside to Poirier without the same level of risk/downside.
A valid choice for six that goes beyond a simplistic “shiny new object” complaint
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Fair point.
Perhaps my personal definition of prospect includes an assessment of the player being able to join the big club in the near term.
In that light it's Poirier over Morin.
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07-14-2023, 03:26 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Picking Morin over Poirier, I consider to be shiny penny.
Another poster mentioned that if Morin was so good, how did he fall to the Flames?
That either means our prospect depth is poor or he's not that good.
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First of all, 4 of the first 5 picks were not shiny new toys. So I don't think that is as prevalent as you want to believe.
Second, with respect to the bold, it was a very deep draft. Morin was ranked highly in that very deep draft. How is that hard to understand?
Morin's draft year numbers were WAY better than Poirier's. In fact, Morin's NHLe was higher than Poirier has been able to manage, in ANY season, never mind his 18YO season. And offence is the only attribute Poirier has. Morin is better in every other way, AND he has put up better numbers offensively.
If you prefer Poirier, that's fine - tell us why. But just barking 'shiny new toy' does not cast you in the greatest light.
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07-14-2023, 03:27 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Pump the brakes fella.
I just did.
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07-14-2023, 03:34 PM
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I value progression a lot. The only progression numbers we have for Morin are from D-1 to D years, where he went from 0.52 PPG to 1.07 PPG.
In the same D-1 to D years, Poirier went from 0.34 PPG to 0.83 PPG
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07-14-2023, 03:35 PM
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#35
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Pump the brakes fella.
I just did.
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LOL, okay.
You claim shiny new toy syndrome, I post a real argument, and you reply with that?
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07-14-2023, 03:35 PM
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All I can get
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It's perfectly fine to pivot back and forth from a project's readiness and a prospect's potential. There's no set criteria.
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07-14-2023, 03:35 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
LOL, okay.
You claim shiny new toy syndrome, I post a real argument, and you reply with that?
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Look above your post to me
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07-14-2023, 03:36 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Look above your post to me
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we were writing those posts at the same time - you can figure that out
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07-14-2023, 03:43 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Morin and Poirier is as close as the Honzek to Pelletier debate. All 4 great players. For me, I would say Poirier and Pelletier are slightly better but I also love the 2023 draftees. Pretty dang happy we snagged Morin in the second round. Just shows you shouldn’t trade your 2nd if you don’t have to.
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07-14-2023, 03:49 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I value progression a lot. The only progression numbers we have for Morin are from D-1 to D years, where he went from 0.52 PPG to 1.07 PPG.
In the same D-1 to D years, Poirier went from 0.34 PPG to 0.83 PPG
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Apparently Poirier has been playing with an issue since his Sea Dogs days. He wasn't on the ice for dev camp because he had a procedure. Not certain how far back in his junior career it goes back (there is a radio interview where Edwards speaks more about it).
Taking this into account and how well he played in the AHL should give some thought to how good this kid could be when healthy.
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Per Flames director of player development Ray Edwards on Tuesday’s edition of Flames Talk on Sportsnet 960, Poirier is recovering from a lower-body procedure and will attend camp but not participate on ice.
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https://flamesnation.ca/news/is-the-...edule-any-good
EDIT: Here is the 960 interview with Edwards
https://pca.st/episode/e6d4c5eb-140c...0-32e22f5f5894
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