06-25-2023, 08:55 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by flamesgod
Ya, I was in a real heated argument with one of my loser Oiler buddies the other day. He was going on about how they’re the greatest franchise ever. I was giving it to him, but it was irritating. He was also claiming McDavid as better then Lemieux already.
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And this is exactly why they can never win again. The worst fans in the NHL.
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06-25-2023, 08:59 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
I think the attitude stuff is overblown. I don't doubt he has one, but if he gets a proffered life style in L.A a good part of that will dissappear. Great city, great team and probably big money
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Totally.
So he didn’t like being publicly belittled by Torts and doesn’t want to spend the prime of his career in Winnipeg? I don’t blame him.
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06-25-2023, 09:01 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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How did the Kings go from winning 2 cups to rebuilding to becoming a contenders again within a decade. Great management.
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06-25-2023, 09:04 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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PLD has work ethic issues IMO. He's a coaster most games. I'm sure his value is high because he's young, can technically hit, and has decent enough speed. Plus I'm sure teams want their own derivation of Tkachuk. Not a fan of the guy though, so good luck to whomever gets him. He's certain to take that big cheque and coast thereafter.
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06-25-2023, 09:06 AM
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Franchise Player
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This will do nothing but further cement our position outside of the top-3 in the Pacific. Soon enough Anaheim and Arizona’s ascension will begin as well.
The time for a strategic restructuring for the Flames is certainly now.
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06-25-2023, 09:09 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
This will do nothing but further cement our position outside of the top-3 in the Pacific. Soon enough Anaheim and Arizona’s ascension will begin as well.
The time for a strategic restructuring for the Flames is certainly now.
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Agreed, but no need to worry about Arizona. They aren’t in the division.
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06-25-2023, 09:09 AM
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Franchise Player
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I just hope there is a market building for Lindholm if indeed he is not staying. Certain teams may want to clear assets or make other moves to fit him in long term. If Flames are still trying to re-sign him the trade market may not have developed yet.
Just look at Flames history. Some of the worst overpays (Hamonic) were for players who were openly on the market for a long period of time. Some of the better trades (Hanifin, Lindholm) were for guys not widely known to be available.
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06-25-2023, 09:10 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
This will do nothing but further cement our position outside of the top-3 in the Pacific. Soon enough Anaheim and Arizona’s ascension will begin as well.
The time for a strategic restructuring for the Flames is certainly now.
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absolutely. That's why I'm so happy that those 2024 UFAs are forcing their hands ... it's such a unique chance to right the ship. I know ownership is reluctant to rebuild, but at some point, you just have to look into the mirror and be honest to yourself.
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06-25-2023, 09:13 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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I don’t think giving up Iofallo and Vilardi as all that much. LA doesn’t have much draft capital, so it can’t involve a 2023 1st.
PLD is a good player, but the real cost might be cap space. I can’t help but think his ask is going to be in the 8 range.
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06-25-2023, 09:16 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bax
Agreed, but no need to worry about Arizona. They aren’t in the division.
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...I guess it still impacts our ability to get into a wildcard spot though!
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Originally Posted by devo22
absolutely. That's why I'm so happy that those 2024 UFAs are forcing their hands ... it's such a unique chance to right the ship. I know ownership is reluctant to rebuild, but at some point, you just have to look into the mirror and be honest to yourself.
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Whoa whoa whoa...whoa now. Who's talking about rebuild? I mentioned strategic restructuring!
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06-25-2023, 09:27 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Grab Byfield please. Where is he going to get ice time with Kopitar/Danault/PLD?
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06-25-2023, 09:31 AM
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#32
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Grab Byfield please. Where is he going to get ice time with Kopitar/Danault/PLD?
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He's been playing wing.
No way they give up on him.
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06-25-2023, 10:41 AM
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Franchise Player
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If Montreal loses out on PLD maybe they move the 5th for Lindholm (extended) and 16?
Half kidding but wouldn’t that be something.
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06-25-2023, 10:45 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Royle9
If Montreal loses out on PLD maybe they move the 5th for Lindholm (extended) and 16?
Half kidding but wouldn’t that be something.
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I’d be even more excited about them taking Huby. I’d throw in one of the pending FAs for free. 
The money is all wrong though.
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06-25-2023, 10:48 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
Ya, I was in a real heated argument with one of my loser Oiler buddies the other day. He was going on about how they’re the greatest franchise ever. I was giving it to him, but it was irritating. He was also claiming McDavid as better then Lemieux already.
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That's like saying Phillip Rivers is better than John Elway because his stats are better. At the end of the day, greatness is measured in championships.
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06-25-2023, 11:13 AM
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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If Villardi and Iafallo are the return it's not horrid for a return but its extending the mediocrity. Two guys who are wingers for a center. Villardi finally took a step forward last year and Iafallo would produce more with a bit more more ice time.
Dubois if they can play him at Center would make the Kings pretty strong up the middle though. Although Danault is a bit like Backlund where he doesn't seem like an ideal 2C, but when you try to slot him as a 3C...he tends to step up and take that role back. So I could see that making PLD sulk as opposed to stepping up to the challenge.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 06-25-2023 at 11:18 AM.
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06-25-2023, 11:40 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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A Villardi and Iafallo return is the kind of underwhleming re-tool return that I worry Conroy will go for.
It isn't terrible as Vilardi looks like he could be a decent 2nd line player and helps the team where PLD wants out, but that isn't anything that does more than keep Winnipeg fighting for the last play-off spot and a first round exit.
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06-25-2023, 11:42 AM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by keenan87
How did the Kings go from winning 2 cups to rebuilding to becoming a contenders again within a decade. Great management.
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I think they have to beat Edmonton to even be considered contenders. Losing to them two years in a row doesn’t show they are going anywhere.
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06-25-2023, 11:51 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
How did the Kings go from winning 2 cups to rebuilding to becoming a contenders again within a decade. Great management.
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Agreed. Blake flubbed the Petersen contract, but was able to trade it away.
Danault was a sneaky good signing, plus the Fiala and Arvidsson trades.
He's doing a fine job thus far.
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06-25-2023, 12:00 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by heep223
Lindholm is on a completely other tier than Dubois, who’s perpetually overrated for some reason.
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Maybe now but when a team is trading for a long term player the value of a 24 year old is far higher than a 28 year old. Dubois is trending up and just going into his prime.
I think many people are going to be disappointed in the return for Lindholm.
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