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Parallex · 06-23-2023, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by _Q_

I think if Lindholm re-signs, this move makes sense.

Or Backlund. If neither of them stays then our center depth is Kadri -> Ruszicka and if that's our center depth then picking up a winger is completely utterly pointless.

Frankly if all the reports about folk not wanting to extend are true then we should be trying to move Huberdeau (yes extremely difficult I know) not trying to find pieces to compliment him.

MrMike · 06-23-2023, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

Or Backlund. If neither of them stays then our center depth is Kadri -> Ruszicka and if that's our center depth then picking up a winger is completely utterly pointless.

Frankly if all the reports about folk not wanting to extend are true then we should be trying to move Huberdeau (yes extremely difficult I know) not trying to find pieces to compliment him.

You’d have to wait until next season to move Huberdeau. Just give him a ton of ice time, best matchups and hope he puts up 100 pts while we tank To give him some value.

mrdonkey · 06-23-2023, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If I'm the Flames I ask for Duclair and Luostarinen for Hanifin.

Hard pass. They can get a better return from a number of other teams.

activeStick · 06-23-2023, 09:52 AM

Has proven chemistry with Calgary's best forward, what's the problem here? And why would Duclair be the centerpiece in a trade involving Hanifin? It doesn't even make any sense. They aren't even in the same league in terms of talent level. If Hanifin is going to the Panthers and Duclair is coming back the other way, you can bet there will be more pieces included with Duclair.

Saqe · 06-23-2023, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If I'm the Flames I ask for Duclair and Luostarinen for Hanifin. Florida doesn't have a lot of picks to offer, but Luostarinen is sneaky good defensively and is just coming into his own and just had a season of 0.5 PPG. Would instantly replace Backlund's spot on the roster but is 10 years younger (24). Duclair adds the speed and skill element necessary to supplement Huberdeau's skillset. Duclair is still only 27

Both are current roster players, but 27 and under. It would be nice to be competitive with this move, and get futures for the other guys.

I don't think you'll get two roster players in return from the Panthers, it would just defeat the purpose for them and create a hole elsewhere. If the Flames really want Duclair I think it will be him plus picks and prospects. Or Reinhart straight up.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If I'm the Flames I ask for Duclair and Luostarinen for Hanifin. Florida doesn't have a lot of picks to offer, but Luostarinen is sneaky good defensively and is just coming into his own and just had a season of 0.5 PPG. Would instantly replace Backlund's spot on the roster but is 10 years younger (24). Duclair adds the speed and skill element necessary to supplement Huberdeau's skillset. Duclair is still only 27

Both are current roster players, but 27 and under. It would be nice to be competitive with this move, and get futures for the other guys.

If the main pieces coming back for Hanifin are a 2024 UFA and Luostarinen who will be 25 in 2 months, I would like to see Conroy removed from his role.

taxbuster · 06-23-2023, 09:53 AM

FFS. Came looking for comment and all I found was negativity.

Lovely.

Cali Panthers Fan · 06-23-2023, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Hard pass. They can get a better return from a number of other teams.

Just curious, what are your expectations? If you think Hanifin gets a king's ransom in picks and prospects I have some swamp land to sell you as well. He's a good top 4 defenseman, but he's not elite. Getting a mid 1st round pick (nothing in the top 10) and a good prospect is likely the best you can hope for.

traptor · 06-23-2023, 09:54 AM

I'd be fine moving zadorov for duclair

ComixZone · 06-23-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Just curious, what are your expectations? If you think Hanifin gets a king's ransom in picks and prospects I have some swamp land to sell you as well. He's a good top 4 defenseman, but he's not elite. Getting a mid 1st round pick (nothing in the top 10) and a good prospect is likely the best you can hope for.

That's what they should be going for though.

1st + prospect or 1st + 2nd.

That should be the target. Grabbing players in their mid-late 20s just keeps this team directionless.

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Originally Posted by traptor

I'd be fine moving zadorov for duclair

I wouldn't. I'd sooner keep Z and see if a fair contract can be worked out - or better yet, move him at the trade deadline.

Cali Panthers Fan · 06-23-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't think you'll get two roster players in return from the Panthers, it would just defeat the purpose for them and create a hole elsewhere. If the Flames really want Duclair I think it will be him plus picks and prospects. Or Reinhart straight up.

Sure, that'd be ideal, but what picks or prospects can Florida offer that would make the deal whole? They don't really have the pieces to do this if I'm being honest, but Luostarinen is a guy that could make sense.

CliffFletcher · 06-23-2023, 09:54 AM

CP is going to melt down when the Hanifin deal goes down. The expectations here are seriously out of whack with reality.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

CP is going to melt down when the Hanifin deal goes down. The expectations here are seriously out of whack with reality.

I don't see how a 1st + prospect or 1st + 2nd is out of whack with reality.

We are simply hoping management doesn't make a dumb, shortsighted move.

CliffFletcher · 06-23-2023, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's what they should be going for though.

1st + prospect or 1st + 2nd.

That should be the target. Grabbing players in their mid-late 20s just keeps this team directionless.

A) Very few teams can take on a contract like Hanifin (never mind the huge extension he’ll be getting) without sending cap back the other way. Look at the teams being bandied around - FLA, PIT, DAL. They’re all capped.

B) As much as fans here desperately want a rebuild, there’s no evidence the team is changing strategic direction.

mrdonkey · 06-23-2023, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Sure, that'd be ideal, but what picks or prospects can Florida offer that would make the deal whole? They don't really have the pieces to do this if I'm being honest, but Luostarinen is a guy that could make sense.

That's why I'm saying the Panthers make no sense.

For the record, something akin to the Hamonic/Hamilton return would be ideal. A reasonable 1st and 2 2nds with a deal in place for his new team.

ForeverFlameFan · 06-23-2023, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Hard pass. They can get a better return from a number of other teams.

Not exactly a hard pass. Both players fill a need, and it allows the Flames to focus on prospect/picks for the other 3.

Do I think there’s better out there? Probably. But the offer does make sense. I just wish it was Lundell but that’s a no go.

flamesgod · 06-23-2023, 10:00 AM

The sooner you all wrap your head around the fact there isn’t going to be a full on rebuild, the more these kinds of moves will make sense for you. I could see the Flames trading our guys for draft picks and then turning around and acquiring some players with the acquired picks. I’m hoping they get some decent players, and when the dust settles have an extra 1st in this years draft.

Erick Estrada · 06-23-2023, 10:00 AM

How about waiting a year for Duclair to hit free agency rather than involving him in a deal centered around one of the organizations prime trade chips? It's not like the Flames are on the cusp of winning a cup next season.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Not exactly a hard pass. Both players fill a need, and it allows the Flames to focus on prospect/picks for the other 3.

Do I think there’s better out there? Probably. But the offer does make sense. I just wish it was Lundell but that’s a no go.

Why? Do we hope to trade this 27 year old UFA and a 25 year old RFA for other assets? Why are we pushing this down the road?

ComixZone · 06-23-2023, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A) Very few teams can take on a contract like Hanifin (never mind the huge extension he’ll be getting) without sending cap back the other way. Look at the teams being bandied around - FLA, PIT, DAL. They’re all capped.

B) As much as fans here desperately want a rebuild, there’s no evidence the team is changing strategic direction.

We can take cap back in any deal, so that's no problem.

Steinberg just last night was saying "I believe the Flames are reading the tea leaves on what they need to do", so I think there is a shift underway.