15 dead, 10 hospitalized in crash on Trans-Canada Highway in Manitoba

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I'm actually surprised this doesn't happen more often across the country, but specifically Northern Ontario to Alberta.

There are a lot of intersections that look like this one.

Heck the one down at Aldersyde used to be horrendous.

True, there are a few intersections like this in Manitoba. On busy days, it's like playing car frogger trying to get across. It is also really difficult to judge how fast people are coming with some people going 80 km/hour and others going 140 km/hour.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

True, there are a few intersections like this in Manitoba. On busy days, it's like playing car frogger trying to get across. It is also really difficult to judge how fast people are coming with some people going 80 km/hour and others going 140 km/hour.

These intersections terrify me.

We take HWY 540 to Fernie almost every weekend in the winter and I'm still on edge every time I make the Eastbound 540 turn onto northbound 2.

And then there is the 104th St. intersection with HWY 540. When they first repaved 540 it was a 4 way stop. Now 540 gets the right of way and 104th St. is a stop sign. I live in constant fear of someone running that stop every time I go through.

I'll take an icey mountain road in the middle of a blizzard at night over a broad daylight mid summer prairie hwy crossing any day.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by kevman

These intersections terrify me.

We take HWY 540 to Fernie almost every weekend in the winter and I'm still on edge every time I make the Eastbound 540 turn onto northbound 2.

And then there is the 104th St. intersection with HWY 540. When they first repaved 540 it was a 4 way stop. Now 540 gets the right of way and 104th St. is a stop sign. I live in constant fear of someone running that stop every time I go through.

I'll take an icey mountain road in the middle of a blizzard at night over a broad daylight mid summer prairie hwy crossing any day.

Have you considered taking 533 instead?

[hwy19man]

The semi had the right of way.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/semi-involved-in-southwestern-manitoba-collision-with-bus-had-right-of-way

[FurnaceFace]

My Dad was from Carberry and my uncle, now my cousin, owns the farm a mile east of the intersection so I know it well. From the north side of highway 5 you have rumble strips, lights and a stop sign. The median between the West and East lanes is wide and the ground there is pretty flat. I don’t believe the highway has any dips on the west side of the east bound lanes. You always looked before crossing and went half way to the median before looking again.

It’s an intersection like so many others across the prairies and it would be really costly to interchange them all. From my knowledge, I have no knowledge of any accidents at that intersection, though I suspect they has been the odd one. No doubt my family heard this one assuming they were home.

Just a sad event.

[D as in David]

Maybe dramatically increasing the width of the median and including a stop sign would be a cost-effective approach to improving the safety of these intersections.

[Reggie28]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

My Dad was from Carberry and my uncle, now my cousin, owns the farm a mile east of the intersection so I know it well. From the north side of highway 5 you have rumble strips, lights and a stop sign. The median between the West and East lanes is wide and the ground there is pretty flat. I don’t believe the highway has any dips on the west side of the east bound lanes. You always looked before crossing and went half way to the median before looking again.

It’s an intersection like so many others across the prairies and it would be really costly to interchange them all. From my knowledge, I have no knowledge of any accidents at that intersection, though I suspect they has been the odd one. No doubt my family heard this one assuming they were home.

Just a sad event.

Twenty years ago, a woman I know was involved in a fatal collision at that intersection. She was traveling south on Highway 5 as well. I’m not sure how often there are fatalities at that intersection, but I know of two.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

My Dad was from Carberry and my uncle, now my cousin, owns the farm a mile east of the intersection so I know it well. From the north side of highway 5 you have rumble strips, lights and a stop sign. The median between the West and East lanes is wide and the ground there is pretty flat. I don’t believe the highway has any dips on the west side of the east bound lanes. You always looked before crossing and went half way to the median before looking again.

It’s an intersection like so many others across the prairies and it would be really costly to interchange them all. From my knowledge, I have no knowledge of any accidents at that intersection, though I suspect they has been the odd one. No doubt my family heard this one assuming they were home.

Just a sad event.

The cost of changing all those types of intersections would be in the billions.

But I wonder what the cost would be of changing just the high traffic ones. Because there are repeated accidents at the same 2-3 intersections in Manitoba every year almost.

Same thing in Sask I'm sure.

Pretty scary and sad situation.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Azure

The cost of changing all those types of intersections would be in the billions.

But I wonder what the cost would be of changing just the high traffic ones. Because there are repeated accidents at the same 2-3 intersections in Manitoba every year almost.

Same thing in Sask I'm sure.

Pretty scary and sad situation.

It would not be cost prohibitive. For example in Alberta there are 10 intersections between the two TCH highways and other major highways that are not grade separated. Maybe another 10 intersections with secondary highways. Every other intersection (gravel roads) needs to be closed, full stop. (maybe you can keep them right in, right out). There is zero need to keep access to major divided highways from every little country road, just the major highways. And those need to be grade separated. They do it with the Interstate Highway system. It's lack of political will in Canada that we do not do it here.

[Fuzz]

In the UK I've seen different options, like this one:

https://goo.gl/maps/YH9F6WdmMcJAiSxs9

They offset the north and south exits which makes straight throguh a bit more of a hassle, but prevents having to cross both lanes.


https://goo.gl/maps/8KhWLeCjkQirNGFi7


You can also do a more simple bridge like this, without full cloverleafs. Hell, you could make them alternating one lane if it saved some money. These wouldn't be as expensive.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

In the UK I've seen different options, like this one:

https://goo.gl/maps/YH9F6WdmMcJAiSxs9

They offset the north and south exits which makes straight throguh a bit more of a hassle, but prevents having to cross both lanes.

Huh, if you zoom out you can see Scotland is attached to England. Who knew?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Huh, if you zoom out you can see Scotland is attached to England. Who knew?

Romans, for one.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Romans, for one.

A lot of good that did their civilization.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sliver

A lot of good that did their civilization.

Hey! That Hadrian guy even built a wall!

It is unclear if he got the Scottish or the Mexicans to pay for it.

[afc wimbledon]

Roman Wall Blues, Auden

Over the heather the wet wind blows,
I’ve lice in my tunic and a cold in my nose.

The rain comes pattering out of the sky,
I’m a Wall soldier, I don’t know why.

The mist creeps over the hard grey stone,
My girl’s in Tungria; I sleep alone.

Aulus goes hanging around her place,
I don’t like his manners, I don’t like his face.

Piso’s a Christian, he worships a fish;
There’d be no kissing if he had his wish.

She gave me a ring but I diced it away;
I want my girl and I want my pay.

When I’m a veteran with only one eye
I shall do nothing but look at the sky.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Sliver

A lot of good that did their civilization.

[hwy19man]

The death toll has increased to 17 people. "A 79-year-old woman who had been in hospital since the collision died Sunday."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/79-year-old-dies-from-injuries-sustained-in-bus-crash-1.6908534


Here is the link for the sixteenth person who perished.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...h-16-1.6883717