Trade the player or fire the coach?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

Imagine an early 2000’s Flames team with Savard, St. Louis, and Iginla

Damn! That's easily the best line in the NHL.

[Heavy Jack]

Man… it really makes you wonder what could have been

St.Louis - Savard - Iginla

Drool worthy first line

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

Imagine an early 2000’s Flames team with Savard, St. Louis, and Iginla

Backstopped up by Jean-Sebastien Giguere in net...
I mean, I liked Freddie Brathwaite, but not that much.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

As much as I like Darryl. I think he's got to go. Find a coach who can play to the strengths of Huberdeau and Kadri. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt for this season since its year 1 with the Flames but after that I hope they start to pick it up.

Maybe have Kirk Muller behind the bench or hire someone like Bruce Boudreau. If they can't cut with new coaches then its obviously all on the players

Muller is the guy in charge of the abysmal "power" play

[Sylvanfan]

Why not give Mitch Love a shot? We get lots of complaints about coaching and how stupid the Flames are for not hiring a Cooper or Bednar. The guy in the AHL seems to be able to get young players to play a similar system, and might just relate to these younger guys.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Muller is the guy in charge of the abysmal "power" play

I saw a rumor a week or so ago that Muller would be the next coach if Sutter is fired/steps down, and that terrifies me.

[Scrambler]

I really didn't need a reminder on this, I appreciate Boomer asking the question and Button's honesty but man of man remembering what could have been with Savard in the '04 cup run, and seasons to come with Iggy and Tanguay. Talk about an utter waste of what could have been. @$~!^ Gilbert

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

God this organization is so inept. Over 30 years without a competent GM to build a proper team, and with no end in sight. Forever in the bubble

Clearly the problem is the owner. He's the one hiring the GM's and mandating that they win now even when it's clear the team isn't good enough. With a GM and head coach in the last year of their deals, most owners would extend the GM first then the head coach but not Edwards. He extends his buddy Darryl and lets the GM play out his deal which pretty well tells Treliving that Darryl is his head coach whether he likes it or not and if Treliving walks the incoming GM has to accept the owner's hand picked head coach. There's just nothing Edwards does that's conducive to winning a Stanley Cup. I just don't understand how a successful businessmen like Edwards could be so bad as an owner of an NHL team.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I just don't understand how a successful businessmen like Edwards could be so bad as an owner of an NHL team.

Elon Musk: "Hold my beer."

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Elon Musk: "Hold my beer."

I would like to see him purchase a professional sports team out of morbid curiosity.

[Locke]

It depends on circumstances.

I'm all for standing with the coach...but it depends on who the coach and player are.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Locke

It depends on circumstances.

I'm all for standing with the coach...but it depends on who the coach and player are.

If the rumors are to be believed it's "players" not "player" that are at odds with the head coach. If that's the case then there's only really one sensible course of action you can take much like the Bruins last season. Of course Edwards could simply instruct his GM to have a fire sale on the players which probably isn't out of the question.

[tvp2003]

Part of me wants to side with Sutter for the mere fact that KADRI CHOSE TO SIGN HERE.

I don’t know if he thought Sutter was different or if he’d get the “Cup Champion” treatment and not have to work hard; if he thought he could just mail it he probably picked the wrong team/coach to play for.

I’d argue Sutter hasn’t even been hard on him, he’s had top six teammates all year and lots of PP and 5on5 ice time.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I think it was pretty obvious that Kadri wanted to re-sign in Colorado, when an offer didn't come he went to the highest bidder. Kadri "chose to come here" because they offered ~1.5-2M more than he was worth.

Regarding Savard, it's easy to say in hindsight (especially given the return, or lack thereof) but Savard didn't make it easy with his attitude either. His dad was very vocal as well.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the rumors are to be believed it's "players" not "player" that are at odds with the head coach. If that's the case then there's only really one sensible course of action you can take much like the Bruins last season. Of course Edwards could simply instruct his GM to have a fire sale on the players which probably isn't out of the question.

But what happens if a few players don't like the next coach?

At what point do you push for more consistancy. I think Brad needs to sit down with Darryl and iron out those concerns if it is some players. Firing the coach gives the players more control and if they don't like the next coach then who is going to push their buttons? Maybe if we had an elite player or two things would be different but with an average team you need players that are going to work harder. The way I see it, Brad has a good coach with some intangibles and if he wants to he can try to mold what he has. Bring the management team together talk about different or, modern approaches to get more out of the players. Look around the league at coaches that are having success, talk it out as a team and then get back to work.

No excusse for not benching Kadri, Kadri is just setting a bad example for the younger players. He is just showing players they can pack it in or, have an attitude if they don't want to play or don’t like the coach.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'll post this story for discussion. It's a little dated and actually just predates Sutter's return to Calgary. It's a pretty scathing look at Sutter and other "old school" coaches.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...es-modern-nhl/

I wonder if the inclination for the Flames to hire these kinds of coaches reflects Murray Edwards managing style. I have heard that he can be a pretty scary person to be in a room with at times.

I'm not in the "blame everything on Sutter" crowd, but I do think it might be time to try a different approach.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'll post this story for discussion. It's a little dated and actually just predates Sutter's return to Calgary. It's a pretty scathing look at Sutter and other "old school" coaches.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...es-modern-nhl/

I wonder if the inclination for the Flames to hire these kinds of coaches reflects Murray Edwards managing style. I have heard that he can be a pretty scary person to be in a room with at times.

I'm not in the "blame everything on Sutter" crowd, but I do think it might be time to try a different approach.

Beach ball soccer and tunes at practice!