Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-05-2023, 03:14 PM   #21
Flames1217
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by midniteowl View Post
May be that's the plan? Give it to Atlanta knowing that they will fail and then When they have to move, move them to Quebec City?
Why even bother giving it to Atlanta.

Quebec had the investors ready to pay the expansion fee and they still do.

Bettman is the one who shut the entire deal down.
Flames1217 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:14 PM   #22
Hey Connor, It's Mess
First Line Centre
 
Hey Connor, It's Mess's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

The Flames have a difficult enough time winning the cup with 32
Hey Connor, It's Mess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:18 PM   #23
Reggie Dunlop
All I can get
 
Reggie Dunlop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Exp:
Default

MLB is looking at expanding as well.
Reggie Dunlop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:19 PM   #24
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

Buccigross reported something about this a week ago. Absolutely nothing picked up by local Houston media.

I did see Fertitta put in a $5.5 Billion bid for the Commanders so maybe he is serious about wanting more sports teams.
Strange Brew is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:22 PM   #25
saillias
#1 Goaltender
 
saillias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Exp:
Default

I would get a bit worried about talent dilution of the league at that point. Scoring has taken off in the league and if anyone remembers during the dead puck era it was argued that low scoring was actually a sign of very strong talent. Everyone was so good that it was becoming harder to score. I wonder if we're seeing the opposite of that, with 2 expansion drafts leading to 46 extra roster spots.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JobHopper View Post
The thing is, my posts, thoughts and insights may be my opinions but they're also quite factual.
saillias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:23 PM   #26
zamler
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Exp:
Default

#### off Gary league is watered down enough as it is.
zamler is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to zamler For This Useful Post:
Old 03-05-2023, 03:24 PM   #27
butterfly
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
Exp:
Default

Salt Lake City would be cool. You know, somewhere that kids actually play winter sports.
butterfly is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to butterfly For This Useful Post:
Old 03-05-2023, 03:26 PM   #28
Locke
Franchise Player
 
Locke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
Exp:
Default

The concept of expansion is more than likely always on the table.

As someone alluded to before me, More Teams = More Money.

However, the NHL has to be really careful here. This is a niche sport in its biggest market, you're going to dilute talent without significantly growing revenues to actually grow the game to a point where it can sustain that growth.

Look at it right now, your average team's bottom 2 lines, 3rd D pairing and backup goaltenders are almost all muckers, grinders or otherwise generally interchangeable, so you can see the dilution.

And that dilution is a mix between availability of talent and ability to pay that talent within the confines of the salary cap.

Expansion brings in big money, but how many teams can hockey realistically sustain?

And 'Hard No' to Atlanta. Dont be daft.
__________________
The Beatings Shall Continue Until Morale Improves!

This Post Has Been Distilled for the Eradication of Seemingly Incurable Sadness.

The World Ends when you're dead. Until then, you've got more punishment in store. - Flames Fans

If you thought this season would have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
Locke is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Locke For This Useful Post:
Old 03-05-2023, 03:28 PM   #29
Manhattanboy
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2004
Exp:
Default

I’m already jealous of their fan bases.
Manhattanboy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Manhattanboy For This Useful Post:
Old 03-05-2023, 03:30 PM   #30
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

If two teams bring in $50 million to each owner that they they don’t need to share with players, it will happen.
Strange Brew is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:30 PM   #31
McG
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Elbows Up!!
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop View Post
Someone will put up huge honey for another Southern Ontario team. Expansion fee PLUS a sizeable territorial sum to MLSE.

Massive market.
And maybe territorial fee to Buffalo too as it would draw from their catchment area.
__________________
Franchise > Team > Player

Future historians will celebrate June 24, 2024 as the date when the timeline corrected itself.
McG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:32 PM   #32
butterfly
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke View Post
However, the NHL has to be really careful here. This is a niche sport in its biggest market, you're going to dilute talent without significantly growing revenues to actually grow the game to a point where it can sustain that growth.
Its biggest market is Toronto, and it's not a niche sport there. Instant drama by putting a new team there.
butterfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:32 PM   #33
bluejays
Franchise Player
 
bluejays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Exp:
Default

I can see the appeal of Atlanta. They laid down some roots there already and perhaps the kids who had the team have now played the sport over time and like it. Plus it’s a massive corporate environment. It’s a gamble though. I can see how players like the city for sure. Houston is a given.

What people don’t seem to understand about the economics of the sport still is the amount of corporate investment needed in the form of season tickets. Yeah Quebec City has passionate fans but will the corporate sector pony up the cash to pay for the team even when times are tough and the team isn’t doing well, beyond the first four honeymoon years? It’s a real issue. When you Venn diagram the eligible cities who have certain potential you realize there isn’t much expansion within Canada and the States anymore. Maybe the midwest some more?
bluejays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:36 PM   #34
bluejays
Franchise Player
 
bluejays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by butterfly View Post
Its biggest market is Toronto, and it's not a niche sport there. Instant drama by putting a new team there.
I don’t think the leafs would be a problem, though they certainly wouldn’t like it. The issue is the Sabres revenue. Many fans go down to Buffalo to watch games. Get a more affordable city in the GTA and it eats away at Buffalo revenue. That can’t be good.
bluejays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:36 PM   #35
ForeverFlameFan
Franchise Player
 
ForeverFlameFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts View Post
Move Arizona to Houston.
Sure, in 30 years.
ForeverFlameFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:38 PM   #36
btimbit
Franchise Player
 
btimbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
Exp:
Default

Sure why not
btimbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:38 PM   #37
butterfly
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluejays View Post
I don’t think the leafs would be a problem, though they certainly wouldn’t like it. The issue is the Sabres revenue. Many fans go down to Buffalo to watch games. Get a more affordable city in the GTA and it eats away at Buffalo revenue. That can’t be good.
No one is even going to Sabres games; they have the worst attendance in the league with an exciting team.

I doubt they have much leverage. Paying off the Leafs would be far more expensive, I think.
butterfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:41 PM   #38
midniteowl
Franchise Player
 
midniteowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames1217 View Post
Why even bother giving it to Atlanta.

Quebec had the investors ready to pay the expansion fee and they still do.

Bettman is the one who shut the entire deal down.

May be give it to Atlanta first, get the expansion fee, then move them to Quebec City and get the relocation fee? If they give it to QC, they can only extract one fee.



ps, I'm kinda joking here.
midniteowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:52 PM   #39
FlamesAddiction
Franchise Player
 
FlamesAddiction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

I have no doubt that the NHL wants that Atlanta market, particularly that television market, which is massive. I don't think it's a coincidence that the NHL really started to ramp up their diversity marketing after the Thrashers left. Don't get me wrong, marketing and appealing to a more diverse audience is a good thing just for it's own sake, but for professional sports, it's all about dollars. Atlanta didn't fail because the city isn't wealthy, big enough, or a decent sports town; it failed because the NHL had trouble breaking into the demographics of more than half of the city. The last couple of years, the NHL has really moved hard on the diversity agenda, so I can see them wanting to try and capitalize on it soon.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
FlamesAddiction is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2023, 03:55 PM   #40
butterfly
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction View Post
I have no doubt that the NHL wants that Atlanta market, particularly that television market, which is massive. I don't think it's a coincidence that the NHL really started to ramp up their diversity marketing after the Thrashers left. Don't get me wrong, marketing and appealing to a more diverse audience is a good thing just for it's own sake, but for professional sports, it's all about dollars. Atlanta didn't fail because the city isn't wealthy, big enough, or a decent sports town; it failed because the NHL had trouble breaking into the demographics of more than half of the city. The last couple of years, the NHL has really moved hard on the diversity agenda, so I can see them wanting to try and capitalize on it soon.
Houston is far more diverse than Atlanta. I agree, though, it isn't a good look to have two of the top 10 media markets in the US without a team.
butterfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:04 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy