02-17-2023, 10:21 PM
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More likely Treliving moves on in the off season. The new gm will then evaluate over next season. If they play poorly, I could see firing Sutter and kicking off a rebuild. Lots of contracts ending in 2024
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02-17-2023, 10:55 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chilliwack, B.C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipper_3434
More likely Treliving moves on in the off season. The new gm will then evaluate over next season. If they play poorly, I could see firing Sutter and kicking off a rebuild. Lots of contracts ending in 2024
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Rebuild won't be the GM decision that will be Edwards
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02-17-2023, 10:57 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryred
Rebuild won't be the GM decision that will be Edwards
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Exactly. Doesn't matter if you get rid of the coach and the GM, nothing will change under this ownership
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02-17-2023, 11:16 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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His new contract hasnt even started yet...
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02-17-2023, 11:26 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
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lol Sutter brings this on himself I guess, with his snarky, condescending, sarcastic approach to the media. It's fine when the team is winning, but it sure doesn't take long for people to want to fire him when they take a step back.
2nd best point total in franchise history just 9 months ago, and still 0.555% this year and so many people want to shoot him into the sun already.
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02-17-2023, 11:28 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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I wouldn’t mind the flames pull a Dallas Cowboys/ Tom Landry moment.
https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/mom...as-head-coach/
Let the players really know Sutter is the coach. He’s not going anywhere. Get used to it.
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02-18-2023, 12:24 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
I think the new coach bump would be extra effective on this group tbh because of how miserable things have looked
Are they bold enough? Not sure
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How quickly we forget when previous players were inconsistent and didnt always show up until other coaches got canned.
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02-18-2023, 12:36 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Holland
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Probably the exact same. Sutter is an excellent coach, but he has holes in his repertoire.
Namely, not giving his best players enough ice time, even as an experiment.
Giving too much ice time to players that have no impact or even negative impact...
Not giving younger/smaller players a long enough leash for the most part.
Benching better players for too long in favor of worse yet more consistent players.
I find these conclusions akin to IMO, trying to coach with one arm tied behind your back.
So frustrating to see such bull####.
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02-18-2023, 02:27 AM
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Scoring Winger
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Playoff teams and their top 3 produceres with age:
(over 30y in bold, no wild card teams)
Hurricanes - Sebastian Aho (25)
- Martin Necas (24)
- Andrei Svechnikov (22)
Devils - Jack Hughes (21)
- Jesper Bratt (24)
- Dougie Hamilton (29)
Rangers - Artemi Panarin (31)
- Mika Zibanejad (29)
- Adam Fox (25)
Bruins - David Pastrnak (26)
- Brad Marchand (34)
- David Krejci (36)
Leafs - Mitch Marner (25)
- William Nylander (26)
- Auston Matthews (25)
Lightning - Nikita Kucherov (29)
- Brayden Point (26)
- Steven Stamkos (34)
Stars - Jason Robertson (23)
- Roope Hintz (26)
- Joe Pavelski (38)
Jets - Kyle Connor (26)
- Josh Morrissey (27)
- Pierre-Luc Dubois (24)
Avalanche - Mikko Rantanen (26)
- Nathan MacKinnon (27)
- Cale Makar (24)
Knights - Chandler Stephenson (28)
- Jack Eichel (26)
- Mark Stone (30)
Kings - Kevin Fiala (26)
- Anze Kopitar (35)
- Adrian Kempe (26)
Kraken - Jordan Eberle (32)
- Vince Dunn (26)
- Jaren McCann (26)
Out of 36 top point producers on playoff teams only 8 of them are over 30 years old. It's clear the trend today is YOUNG = GOOD. Flames are old and their coach looks down on young talent. Has made it pretty clear this season. He will rather play Lucic and Lewis over Zary, Phillips or Pelletier. This is not a matter of if you like Sutter or not, it's more about if you care about winning and long term success. Majority of the fans around here would agree the flames are totally boring to watch right now, yet they still want to keep Sutter, because he won 2 cups 10 years ago with his boring brand of hockey. Lets not turn into Oilers, living off their ancient relics from time long forgotten...
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02-18-2023, 06:51 AM
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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If the Flames fired Sutter now…
… they’d just make him GM. Is that what you want?
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02-18-2023, 07:08 AM
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#31
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gamesaver
Playoff teams and their top 3 produceres with age:
(over 30y in bold, no wild card teams)
Hurricanes - Sebastian Aho (25)
- Martin Necas (24)
- Andrei Svechnikov (22)
Devils - Jack Hughes (21)
- Jesper Bratt (24)
- Dougie Hamilton (29)
Rangers - Artemi Panarin (31)
- Mika Zibanejad (29)
- Adam Fox (25)
Bruins - David Pastrnak (26)
- Brad Marchand (34)
- David Krejci (36)
Leafs - Mitch Marner (25)
- William Nylander (26)
- Auston Matthews (25)
Lightning - Nikita Kucherov (29)
- Brayden Point (26)
- Steven Stamkos (34)
Stars - Jason Robertson (23)
- Roope Hintz (26)
- Joe Pavelski (38)
Jets - Kyle Connor (26)
- Josh Morrissey (27)
- Pierre-Luc Dubois (24)
Avalanche - Mikko Rantanen (26)
- Nathan MacKinnon (27)
- Cale Makar (24)
Knights - Chandler Stephenson (28)
- Jack Eichel (26)
- Mark Stone (30)
Kings - Kevin Fiala (26)
- Anze Kopitar (35)
- Adrian Kempe (26)
Kraken - Jordan Eberle (32)
- Vince Dunn (26)
- Jaren McCann (26)
Out of 36 top point producers on playoff teams only 8 of them are over 30 years old. It's clear the trend today is YOUNG = GOOD. Flames are old and their coach looks down on young talent. Has made it pretty clear this season. He will rather play Lucic and Lewis over Zary, Phillips or Pelletier. This is not a matter of if you like Sutter or not, it's more about if you care about winning and long term success. Majority of the fans around here would agree the flames are totally boring to watch right now, yet they still want to keep Sutter, because he won 2 cups 10 years ago with his boring brand of hockey. Lets not turn into Oilers, living off their ancient relics from time long forgotten...
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Not disagreeing with the point you are making on players over 30 however only 7 of the players on that list are under 25. Feels like this highlights that you need top players regardless of age and that most players are at the top of their game in their prime.
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02-18-2023, 07:13 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Sutter is the only reason we are competing for a playoff spot. Without Sutter we’d be the Canucks right now.
Never be like the Canucks.
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02-18-2023, 07:23 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle
Sutter is the only reason we are competing for a playoff spot. Without Sutter we’d be the Canucks right now.
Never be like the Canucks.
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If Sutter can raise the Flames winning percentage to Geoff Ward’s career winning percentage as a Flames Head Coach for the Flames they probably make the playoffs. Hopefully Darryl can be as good as Geoff Ward (or maybe even better).
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02-18-2023, 07:28 AM
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#34
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by TheRealPepman
… and you know how much power CSEC has on the Flames.
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02-18-2023, 07:29 AM
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#35
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
If Sutter can raise the Flames winning percentage to Geoff Ward’s career winning percentage as a Flames Head Coach for the Flames they probably make the playoffs. Hopefully Darryl can be as good as Geoff Ward (or maybe even better).
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Not the same teams. Not the same star power. Give Ward this team and we are far far worse. Comparing Sutter to Ward is about as apples to oranges as it gets.
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02-18-2023, 07:48 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle
Not the same teams. Not the same star power. Give Ward this team and we are far far worse. Comparing Sutter to Ward is about as apples to oranges as it gets.
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Ward did have Hamonic.
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02-18-2023, 07:54 AM
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#37
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulOfTheFlame
... Would they make the playoffs this season?
A snowball's chance in hell this happens, but hypothetically, do you think the "new coach effect" would carry them into the playoffs?
Discuss.
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Flames driving directly to 16th overall draft pick, seems like.
Sutter won't be fired this season. Treliving already signed him two more years.
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02-18-2023, 07:55 AM
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#38
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Scoring Winger
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Sutter
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Originally Posted by Flame On
I'll tell you what it would look like. It would like like the vast majority of the organization's time, whereby ownership goes to the bargain bin for NHL coaching. Then we'd spend years wanting an actual NHL coach again, instead of the Peters and Ward and Gulutzan experiments. We'll whine about management and ownership ad nauseum and why they don't get an NHL calibre coach.
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They are grooming a good future young coach in the AHL now with the Wranglers, Avs pulled their coach Bednar from the AHL with no NHL experience and Flames hopefully are doing this as well and not looking to hire another NHL retread like Boudreau. I'd also hire Trotz as GM before I gave that role to Sutter again.
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02-18-2023, 08:06 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooter
They are grooming a good future young coach in the AHL now with the Wranglers, Avs pulled their coach Bednar from the AHL with no NHL experience and Flames hopefully are doing this as well and not looking to hire another NHL retread like Boudreau. I'd also hire Trotz as GM before I gave that role to Sutter again.
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This idea that the Flames can try to find a good young coach who does not have decades of experience is crazy. Do we want to go with a rookie NHL coach like Rod Brind’Amour, Jon Cooper, Jared Bednar, Craig Berube or Sheldon Keefe would be irrresponsible.
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02-18-2023, 08:21 AM
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#40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle
Not the same teams. Not the same star power. Give Ward this team and we are far far worse. Comparing Sutter to Ward is about as apples to oranges as it gets.
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Once again you have to realize everything Gavey posts is sarcastic shtick.
His level of commitment to it is impressive
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