"Should the Flames call up Dustin Wolf?" Hockey News

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you're sending down Vladar? Markstrom has a NMC. Or are you putting three goalies on the roster and then running short a D or F?

I don’t think it would hurt to not run Lucic for a stretch of games lol

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t think it would hurt to not run Lucic for a stretch of games lol

You can't send Lucic down as well. NMC.

[traptor]

I dont think it's rushing at all as long as you're not expecting him to come in and be the Bonifide starter. He should start getting a taste of the NHL so we can ease him into it. Jary, Hellebuyck, saros and oettinger all started getting put in around that age. Hart and knight were pretty much full time NHLers.

He's done all he can at the AHL level time to start giving him a taste.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can't send Lucic down as well. NMC.

Then waive Mackey and scratch Lucic

[bzoo02]

Let him win the Calder cup this year and get that experience. Figure out the goalie situation in the summer and run Wolf as the 1b next season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can't send Lucic down as well. NMC.

To elaborate: Flames are currently at max 23 man roster. They can only send down Pelletier without waivers. So who gets sent? It can't be Markstrom or Lucic because of NMCs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Then waive Mackey and scratch Lucic

That would be the only choice, really. You'd be scratching a goalie though.

[TheScorpion]

I actually think it's imperative for the Flames to explore moving one of their two NHL goaltenders this summer — and I might look at moving Vladar. But it's hard to say. Markstrom has a strong reputation around the league but his NMC will make it hard to move him. Whereas Vladar is still a bit of an unknown and younger ... but also I don't think the upside is there. I think he's a David Rittich clone.

They need to make room for Wolf to take on the Juuse Saros backup responsibilities. He's the best prospect in their system by a long shot.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by saillias

Like most things with Flames decision making. I agree that they should, but also know the Flames decision makers won't be doing it. They lost a 1st rounder on waivers and could have lost Kylington on waivers the prior season. They are stubborn to a fault and have a (I think outdated) view of development based on the mid 00s Detroit model where guys cook until they're 23 before they get a shot in the NHL.

Current roster players that joined the team before age 23 ...

Andersson (21)
Backlund (20)
Dube (20)
Hainfin (22) traded
Mangiapane (21)
Pelletier (21)
Ruzicka (22)

Won't count Hanifin, but that's 6 players on the active roster that defy what you're saying.

They have to have an opinion on when a player is ready, and I hope each player has a unique climb (current state of the roster, their development).

May not agree with some fans for sure, but that doesn't mean they have a hard and fast rule as you suggest.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you're sending down Vladar? Markstrom has a NMC. Or are you putting three goalies on the roster and then running short a D or F?

And the harm is that the Flames are routinely giving up excellent chances with little or no warmup for the goalies. Wolf would be thrown to - the wolves.

Certainly not waiving Vladar, but what's the harm in running 11 forwards? It might actually force Sutter to play our top end guys more.

[Mr.Coffee]

Depends what the strategy is.

Which, I'm not sure they know what the strategy is.

Also, and related, they need to make a decision as to what the strategy is, and preferably sooner than later.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you're sending down Vladar? Markstrom has a NMC. Or are you putting three goalies on the roster and then running short a D or F?

And the harm is that the Flames are routinely giving up excellent chances with little or no warmup for the goalies. Wolf would be thrown to - the wolves.

This is what I was thinking. Nothing worse than 3 goalies on a team. Always causes issues and is a waste of cap space.

Not against Wolf getting the call but someone would need to get hurt or traded.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That would be the only choice, really. You'd be scratching a goalie though.

You'd still have 2 players you can scratch.

With a 23 man roster you have 3 extra bodies.

So if you called up Wolf and ran a full roster you could still have 1 extra forward, 1 extra dman, and then the third goalie.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Depends what the strategy is.

Which, I'm not sure they know what the strategy is.

That strategy right now appears to be "pray to God Marky figures it out and give Vlad some more starts", at least while they are still in the hunt.

He is signed all the way through 2025-26. So the best case scenario is that he stops sucking ass next year and is still 'their guy' in net until Wolf and Vladar can take over full time.

Worst case scenario, he never regains his former brilliance and turns into a Hiller, and after the 2023-24 season we buy him out. This would give us about $3.66m of cap savings over the next two seasons and then eat a $1.12m cap penalty for two seasons after that.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I actually think it's imperative for the Flames to explore moving one of their two NHL goaltenders this summer — and I might look at moving Vladar. But it's hard to say. Markstrom has a strong reputation around the league but his NMC will make it hard to move him. Whereas Vladar is still a bit of an unknown and younger ... but also I don't think the upside is there. I think he's a David Rittich clone.

They need to make room for Wolf to take on the Juuse Saros backup responsibilities. He's the best prospect in their system by a long shot.

I get what you’re saying but he may be ready for a fresh start, so the NMC might not be much of an issue. Even if the Flames retain 1-2 million, we’d still be further ahead rolling with Vladar and Wolf.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Lol it's not a rush when he's the top goalie in the top development league in the world. Best goalie not in the NHL??

Not according to prospect rankings.

But that's because of his size.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not according to prospect rankings.

But that's because of his size.

Scott Wheeler at the Athletic has him third among drafted goalie prospects, behind only Wallstedt and Askarov — both first-round picks.

Tremendous company. Personally, having watched and tracked all three closely in the AHL, I'd have Wolf first — what he's done is truly remarkable.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Not until the goalie coaching department gets a re-model. Keep him as far away from Flames development as possible for now.

Kinda hard when they all share the same office space.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you're sending down Vladar? Markstrom has a NMC. Or are you putting three goalies on the roster and then running short a D or F?

And the harm is that the Flames are routinely giving up excellent chances with little or no warmup for the goalies. Wolf would be thrown to - the wolves.

Tough to have 3 goalies, we have seen that. Not wishing injury or anyone but maybe thats the only way Wolf gets called and then you never know what happens, look at 04, Turek and Mclennan injuries are the only reason we got kipper.

[Badgers Nose]

No! Do not rush and ruin our beat prospect!