In Sutter we trust

[devo22]

I don't care one bit about the pressers, I care about putting out a successful and entertaining on-ice product ... and the Flames haven't been up to par in that regard so far this season, it's simply hard to argue otherwise.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Sutter is an old school demanding, hard-nosed coach. When this process generates wins, no one cares about the things he says in the media or it's somehow labeled as genius rather than concern. When they don't win, everything in the narrative comes apart - the players who are grinding harder than for other coaches on other teams start to question the method to the madness and it flows out into the press.

To me it's pretty simple: Kadri + Huberdeau < Gaudreau + Tkachuk plus netminding struggles for Markstrom and the results this year's results make perfect sense but unsatisfying.

Some good points and another reason is the loss of both gudbranson and OK. Weegar is in but with those two out it hurts the two bottom pairings. Big Z and Gudbranson were better than with stone in there and OK with Tanev were better than Tanev with Weegar.Weegar has been working on chemistry with a new team and then being moved around. Last year there were 3 solid pairings and no holes plus Markstom was better.

[Manhattanboy]

Not sure what this thread is, a referendum?

I'm certainly not in the camp that wants Sutter fired.

Still curious to see how far he can take this group.

The players are underperforming. That's not on him.

[dino7c]

standings are so tight with better goaltending earlier in the season the Flames are in 1st and Sutter is still a genius

Its such a fine line its ridiculous

[Lanny_McDonald]

The last time a thread with this title was started it didn't bode well for the team. I hope this time it turns out better.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dino7c

standings are so tight with better goaltending earlier in the season the Flames are in 1st and Sutter is still a genius

Its such a fine line its ridiculous

It’s not a fine line between being in first and losing more games than you win lol

He’s done a bad job this year. With the forwards, with the goalies, with the media. It didn’t start with the Pelletier comments.


Oh and the games are dreadfully boring, last one excluded, maybe the most boring season of hockey in Flames history. When Hartley was a prick to the players and lost games at least they were fun to watch lol

[Ferarri]

The whole team needs to be better and that includes the head coach. He constantly demands near perfection and is quick to call out players who are underperforming. Unfortunately for him others are allowed to do the same and this includes the media.

At some point he needs to realize that being a head coach has responsibilities that extend outside of purely coaching. Public figures in the NHL are required to do press interviews and answer questions. Don't like it, well too bad. This is all about giving fan better access to the games and this requirement isn't something that's new. Nobody is forcing Darryl to be a head coach but like I said this role comes with duties and obligations.

Don't get me wrong there are some in the media that must be frustrating to interact with and can ask annoying/dumb questions and write negative articles but it is quite clear that this is a requirement for being a head coach.

Said plenty of times in the past that I like Darryl but this season is becoming a distraction because of his antics. Seriously at this point just shut up, do your job and stop becoming a side show. We don't need this type of negative attention as we need to win games. Team needs to be better and Darryl is included in this.

[bdubbs]

Most boring season? I take it you never watched the Glen Gulutzan era games.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Most boring season? I take it you never watched the Glen Gulutzan era games.

These are way worse than Gulutzan and Brent Sutter


The dome is a library this year

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by neo45

It’s not a fine line between being in first and losing more games than you win lol

He’s done a bad job this year. With the forwards, with the goalies, with the media. It didn’t start with the Pelletier comments.


Oh and the games are dreadfully boring, last one excluded, maybe the most boring season of hockey in Flames history. When Hartley was a prick to the players and lost games at least they were fun to watch lol

lol yourself

goaltending has cost them at least 4-5 wins earlier in the season...add 8 to 10 points

They also aren't under .500, look at the points percentage...NHL standings are based on points not wins, talk to Gary if you don't like it

3 wins and a loser point would have the Flames tied for first...it is in fact a fine line

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Darryl Sutter is a great coach, who belongs in the HHoF one day.

Darryl Sutter was a poor GM long term, and his IMO drafting and development set the team back.

Darryl Sutter is needlessly a jerk in the media, and this year he's been worse than ever.

This.
These things aren't mutually exlusive.

Sutter can be both a great coach and a complete A hole to the media.
If the media is after him, that's a relationship he has gone out of his way to make toxic, so there's no reason to protect him from his own creation.

How Sutter is doing as a coach this year is a different discussion and also worthy of some criticisms.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Not sure what this thread is, a referendum?

I'm certainly not in the camp that wants Sutter fired.

Still curious to see how far he can take this group.

The players are underperforming. That's not on him.

Just trying to get things going in a different direction. A lot of Sutter bashing going on. It seems when things get going one way it really takes off and people all jump in and support the one narrative.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol yourself

goaltending has cost them at least 4-5 wins earlier in the season...add 8 to 10 points

They also aren't under .500, look at the points percentage...NHL standings are based on points not wins, talk to Gary if you don't like it

3 wins and a loser point would have the Flames tied for first...it is in fact a fine line

Every team in the league can add points for their excuses.
Maybe the teams we are chasing also had a few bad goalie games, or injuries, or bad luck.

If you're adding 8-10 points for the Flames in a vacuum, while keeping every other teams point totals the same, you deserve the LOL.

[dino7c]

Like I said 4 wins between being a bum and being in first place

looking over the schedule its easy to find 4 wins with average goaltending from Markstrom

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Every team in the league can add points for their excuses.
Maybe the teams we are chasing also had a few bad goalie games, or injuries, or bad luck.

If you're adding 8-10 points for the Flames in a vacuum, while keeping every other teams point totals the same, you deserve the LOL.

Your starting goalie has an .896 when he had a .920 last season...the Flames have dominated the majority of their games in terms of possession.

They deserve better as a team IMO

anyway the point is its a fine line...if they keep playing Vladar they will probably get those points like they have been 10 games in a row or whatever.

Surely Markstrom was reasonably expected to be better than this...its not like I am saying if something crazy unreasonable happened they would be a top team.

02/03: Turek - .902
03/04: Kiprusoff - .933
05/06: Kiprusoff - .923
06/07: Kiprusoff - .917
07/08: Kiprusoff - .906
08/09: Kiprusoff - .903
09/10: Kiprusoff - .920
10/11: Kiprusoff - .906
11/12: Kiprusoff - .920
12/13: Kiprusoff - .882
13/14: Ramo - .911
14/15: Hiller - .918
15/16: Ramo - .909
16/17: Elliott - .910
17/18: Smith - .916
18/19: Rittich - .911
19/20: Rittich - .907
20/21: Markstrom - .904
21/22: Markstrom - .922
22/23: Markstrom - .895

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The last time a thread with this title was started it didn't bode well for the team. I hope this time it turns out better.

I would welcome some of your insight to what you think of Sutter as a coach in general.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Most boring season? I take it you never watched the Glen Gulutzan era games.

This season has teetered on Geoff Ward era boredom.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Your starting goalie has an .896 when he had a .920 last season...the Flames have dominated the majority of their games in terms of possession.

They deserve better as a team IMO

I'm not disagreeing with the goaltending being our biggest issue and main reason for points dropped.

I'm disagreeing that every other team doesn't also have a reason for their points dropped.
Vancouver wouldn't be Vancouver "if they had better defence".
Edmonton can say "add 8-10 points if Kane wasn't injured".

There's no alternate universe where the Flames get their extra points to jump up your fictional standings and no one else gets to do the same.

[Flamesfan05]

Is there an option not to trust him?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

I would welcome some of your insight to what you think of Sutter as a coach in general.

Good coach with the right type of players, not so good with others. I personally am not a fan based on the style of hockey being played in the NHL now. Emphasis is on speed, skill, and puck movement to high danger areas. Sutter prefers a grinding style with a lot of shots on goal. Problem is this style is too slow and predictable. In a game where mistakes are the difference the Flames play a style where their mistakes are glaring, in the middle of the ice, and end up in the back of the net. On the other side of the puck, when the opposition screws up the Flames are rarely in a good position to capitalize and it results just in more cycle time around the perimeter. I think this team would be better with a coach who demanded a more up tempo quick transition game, one that leveraged the talents of the players on the roster rather than trying to get them to play a game not conducive to their abilities. Just my thoughts.