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Old 12-28-2022, 03:42 PM   #21
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According to Friedman, they were supposed to fly just after midnight but instead left around 10:30.

That shows how silly this is. That hour and a half wouldn't have made any difference to any of the players, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they players asked to leave early just because they were all already at the airport and wanted to get to their hotel earlier.

They shouldn't schedule any games on the 27th that require the visiting team to fly more than 1 hour. There are plenty of teams that are close to each other that they still could have had a decent number of games last night.
I don't think it's silly as it's a pretty cut and dry rule. The league has no choice but to act on it as you can't have teams slacking on this stuff as clearly it meant enough to players to bargain for it in the CBA.
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I'd love to be the guy in charge of NHL refereeing.

That would be like a Board Meeting out of a Tarantino film.

I'd even invite Samuel L. Jackson.
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Old 12-28-2022, 04:13 PM   #23
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I don't think it's silly as it's a pretty cut and dry rule. The league has no choice but to act on it as you can't have teams slacking on this stuff as clearly it meant enough to players to bargain for it in the CBA.
What I meant was silly was the whole idea that if they had flown at 12:01am, everything would have been okay, but flying at 10:30pm was horrible and worthy of a fine. Also, the fine amount is so ridiculously small that it's not even a deterrent for the team to do it.

The league has blame on this as well for scheduling a game that requires that much travel and by allowing a midnight departure. From the players' perspective, they're losing the night of the 26th from their break either way, so of course, they're going to be okay with leaving a little bit earlier to get into the hotel in St. Louis earlier.

The earliest travel time on the 27th should be 10am local time and the maximum flight time should be 1 hour. If a team needs to travel further than that, they can't play on the 27th.
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Also uh even if the wheels were up at 12:01, wouldn't the team have travelled to the airport together before midnight or what
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Old 12-28-2022, 04:36 PM   #25
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What I meant was silly was the whole idea that if they had flown at 12:01am, everything would have been okay, but flying at 10:30pm was horrible and worthy of a fine. Also, the fine amount is so ridiculously small that it's not even a deterrent for the team to do it.

The league has blame on this as well for scheduling a game that requires that much travel and by allowing a midnight departure. From the players' perspective, they're losing the night of the 26th from their break either way, so of course, they're going to be okay with leaving a little bit earlier to get into the hotel in St. Louis earlier.

The earliest travel time on the 27th should be 10am local time and the maximum flight time should be 1 hour. If a team needs to travel further than that, they can't play on the 27th.
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The other 10 road teams that had December 27 games all flew the morning of without incident. Earliest flight left around 8am local.
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There is no construct of time in the Centre of The Universe.™ You had yer Big Bang 'bout 14 thousand billion years ago and it's been expanding ever since.
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There is no construct of time in the Centre of The Universe.™ You had yer Big Bang 'bout 14 thousand billion years ago and it's been expanding ever since.
You mean the last time they won the cup and their level of delusional hope?
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Ummm. Isn’t the point here that the leafs just got fined twice? For what seem like unrelated things but most likely aren’t so unrelated? What’s missing?
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What if the players wanted to travel earlier to be better rested and arranged their own private transportation and chartered a flight outside of an official team flight? I don't know if that would be allowed, but it might be cheaper than paying $100k.
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What if the players wanted to travel earlier to be better rested and arranged their own private transportation and chartered a flight outside of an official team flight? I don't know if that would be allowed, but it might be cheaper than paying $100k.
The players would have to pay for that tho. Who would do that?
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The travel thing is kind of dumb too. I get that it isn't fair to insist that players travel on stipulated holidays, but if it was up to the players and they preferred to travel earlier that night, then they should be a allowed to make that choice. I wonder if that is what happened here. If I had a game the next day, I'd rather leave earlier than later.
Up to the players?

Unless it was by secret ballot and it required 100% support to proceed, the idea is a non-starter.

Otherwise it may well not be a true reflection of a players choice.
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What I meant was silly was the whole idea that if they had flown at 12:01am, everything would have been okay, but flying at 10:30pm was horrible and worthy of a fine.
So, it's OK to break a rule by 1 minute?

How about 5 minutes? 20? What's the cutoff?

If it's 1 hour, then 1 hour 1 minute gets punished?

There will always have to be a cutoff where an extra minute gets punished.
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Why do we assume 12:01 wheels up would have been the threshold? The rule is probably just ill-defined, but I think having the players arrive at the arena before 12:01 to catch the bus to the airport (ie. when/where your workplace demands you where to be) would be a violation, but even then it would be clearly flaunting the spirit of the rule.
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Why is it reasonable to travel at midnight for a game that's at 7pm the next day? Why not let players sleep in Toronto and leave for St Louis at 11am the next day. It's a 2hr flight with a 1hr time change, so still get in at 12pm for a 7pm game.

Fine is more than fair.
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Every team should pay their coaches 25K to demean the officials every night. Maybe then the league would actually acknowledge they have an officiating problem and address it. The CHL officiating is night and day better than the NHL, something is very broken going on here.
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Put me in the camp that doesn't understand why you couldn't leave in the morning. You're chartering a flight, I would sure rather sleep at home and travel game day than 4am....
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Also uh even if the wheels were up at 12:01, wouldn't the team have travelled to the airport together before midnight or what
I would imagine it could be argued that carpooling to work isn't work?
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Up to the players?

Unless it was by secret ballot and it required 100% support to proceed, the idea is a non-starter.

Otherwise it may well not be a true reflection of a players choice.
This is why they have rules in place...so players aren't pressured into doing things they deep down don't want to.

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