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Old 11-08-2022, 03:35 PM   #21
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Ok sure. I was just reporting what the guys were saying today. They must have missed the memo.
Reporting? Or speculating?
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Old 11-08-2022, 03:36 PM   #22
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All good discussion. Appreciate all your takes.

No concerns with Sutter as a coach.
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Old 11-08-2022, 03:41 PM   #23
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Yeah this has been a puzzling season from Darryl. The team has played poor defensively but it's kind of his job to get the players playing the team game as it's something he's been very good at most of his career. The rolling of four lines late into games is simply idiotic and Huberdeau hasn't been bad enough to warrant only 16 minutes per game which is the lowest for him since the 2014/15 season. He's starting to remind me of his GM days in the 2nd half of his tenure where it was like he was lost grip of things. Still I'm not panicking as usually there's a method to his madness. I just hope the method pays off and we aren't left with the madness that defined the 2nd half of his days as Flames GM.
I have started to get that awful feeling as well with him. Especially his deployment of top players and overplaying pluggers that he loves.

Even his training camp this year seemed super disjointed from day 1 of camp. Ripping young players but not really giving anyone a chance to grab a spot. Yeah, some guys didn't show up and are now in Arizona but who really had a legit shot?

He has been coddling Markstrom from camp, and I think he knows his confidence might be a bit shaken after he got railroaded in Edmonton series, so he is taking it easy on him.

He has made a lot of puzzling moves so far and Sutter teams don't look this leaky on defence either. I don't think he became a dumb coach overnight and every top coach has their faults, but he has been weird this year.
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Old 11-08-2022, 03:45 PM   #24
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I really don't like how he straight up blasted the "young defensemen" today - maybe if he was a little easier on/more complimentary towards Valimaki he would be playing the effective 18 minutes a night here like he is currently doing in Arizona. We could certainly use those steady minutes at the moment, couldn't we?

Personally I think Sutter really fumbled the ball to start the year, and should take some responsibility for the past stretch. His utilization of a talent like Huberdeau has so far been poor, and I think training camp was a complete disaster from the get go. There was virtually zero competition for jobs (despite what was publically said), and very little movement among the lineup to see what could, and couldn't work.

He's a fantastic coach and deserves all the accolades he get's but he should not be immune to criticism and his track record for developing young players isn't particularly strong.
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Old 11-08-2022, 03:50 PM   #25
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It was not actually Rhett it was Frank Seravalli who suggested that the comment was not well received by Huberdeau.
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Old 11-08-2022, 04:00 PM   #26
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He’s been coaching this year like he wants to coach Berdard next year.
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Yeah this has been a puzzling season from Darryl. The team has played poor defensively but it's kind of his job to get the players playing the team game as it's something he's been very good at most of his career. The rolling of four lines late into games is simply idiotic and Huberdeau hasn't been bad enough to warrant only 16 minutes per game which is the lowest for him since the 2014/15 season. He's starting to remind me of his GM days in the 2nd half of his tenure where it was like he was lost grip of things. Still I'm not panicking as usually there's a method to his madness. I just hope the method pays off and we aren't left with the madness that defined the 2nd half of his days as Flames GM.
He did the same thing when he first joined the Flames mid-season.

Tkachuk getting benched/little ice time, Monahan demoted, etc.

Even just the start of last season I recall people being crazy about how he was using Lewis, Richardson, Zadorov, and Gudbranson too much.

It seems as if he almost does this early in the season as part of the method to his madness.

But while it's happening it's super frustrating since it feels like you're throwing points away.

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Personally I think Sutter really fumbled the ball to start the year, and should take some responsibility for the past stretch. His utilization of a talent like Huberdeau has so far been poor, and I think training camp was a complete disaster from the get go. There was virtually zero competition for jobs (despite what was publically said), and very little movement among the lineup to see what could, and couldn't work.
This training camp was too static from the start with the "Veterans" and "AHLers" split and it should be no surprise that both sides seemed to suffer from some complacency to start the year.

NHLers knew there was no risk to their jobs / ice time.

AHLer knew they had no shot of getting a chance anyways.
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He’s been coaching this year like he wants to coach Berdard next year.

haha i actually spit my drink out reading this thanks for that CroCop
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He did the same thing when he first joined the Flames mid-season.

Tkachuk getting benched/little ice time, Monahan demoted, etc.

Even just the start of last season I recall people being crazy about how he was using Lewis, Richardson, Zadorov, and Gudbranson too much.

It seems as if he almost does this early in the season as part of the method to his madness.

But while it's happening it's super frustrating since it feels like you're throwing points away.



This training camp was too static from the start with the "Veterans" and "AHLers" split and it should be no surprise that both sides seemed to suffer from some complacency to start the year.

NHLers knew there was no risk to their jobs / ice time.

AHLer knew they had no shot of getting a chance anyways.
If you check the top ice time for forwards, we have 1 in the top 50 Elias Lindholm, now look at the rest of the names and you wonder what it is that Huberdeau has to do to see more ice time. He is a willing penalty killer as well. Stars such as Sam Bennett, Evan Rodrigues are getting more ice time.
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This article is Francis-esqe.


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I’m waiting for Vladar to start more games, like one game out of every 3-4 games played.

Didn’t the fact that Markstrom was worn out during last season’s playoffs resonate with anyone in the organization including Sutter?


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