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HighLifeMan · 10-21-2022, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Out of the 3 guys on that line Toffoli has looked the best. Not very impressed with Huberdeau yet. Other than the occasional fancy pass. I thought he would transition the puck more. Be more of a puck carrier. That is what that line is missing.That is not Lindholms game. This is why I think you need Kadri between those 2 guys.

Lindholm looks disengaged and lazy. I can't think of one instance he has created for his two linemates.

I know a lot of people don't pay much mind to analytics - but they support what the eyes are seeing here. Lindholm has been the team's worst forward at even strength by a longshot with an xGF% of 31.9%. He's been outshot 24-18 and outchanced 28-18.

In limited time away from Lindholm - Huberdeau/Toffoli have an xGF% of 84%.

I realize it's been just four games and take that for what it's worth, but it points to a player who is really struggling early on. He needs to be better and will be in short order. He's too good of a player to continue this level of play.

Mathgod · 10-21-2022, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Naitix

Huberdeau - Kadri - Mang

GreenLantern2814 · 10-21-2022, 01:01 PM

Extend Hanifin.

TrentCrimmIndependent · 10-21-2022, 01:08 PM

actually it makes sense lindy would have a tough transition going from having your LW be the guy that carries the puck for your line to neither of your wingers being that

Manhattanboy · 10-21-2022, 01:16 PM

Agree re Hanifin. He is under valued.

Funny I thought Lindholm has looked pretty good for a guy with new mates, other than last night.

I should not be a coach.

SuperMatt18 · 10-21-2022, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Naitix

I am fine with lines staying like this while we are winning but I do think this will work better once we try it:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Mang
Dube - Lindholm - Toffolli

The way Kadri and Mang play will create space for Huberdeau on zone entries and let him do his magic. I like the way Toffolli has been playing, better than last year imo, and I would not mind him swapping with Mang but I think the second line would be too small that way.

I do think Lindholm got way too used to playing with Johnny who is one the best zone entry forwards and nobody on the first line has been the go to person for zone entries. So I understand Sutter giving them time to figure it out as the second line has been phenomenal.

I think the second line still struggles with the puck on their stick with these lines.

IMO in our top 9 right now we have three guys good with the puck on their stick for zone entires (Kadri, Backlund, and Mangiapane). And our best bet would be to separate the three.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Toffoli
Dube-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Coleman-Backlund-Lewis

or

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Dube-Kadri-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Lewis

agulati · 10-21-2022, 01:28 PM

Good to read that Hanifin is back skating. Hopefully whatever was ailing him has improved

Mitch · 10-21-2022, 01:32 PM

I also think Hanifin is under appreciated but if he allows you to bring in a similar piece on forward (age and ability) then I am for it. My dream is Pastrnak in Boston lol.

dino7c · 10-21-2022, 01:43 PM

Strength of schedule has been really high, especially if Buffalo is actually good

3-1, take a deep breath...still working out chemistry and already a really good team.

Naitix · 10-21-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the second line still struggles with the puck on their stick with these lines.

IMO in our top 9 right now we have three guys good with the puck on their stick for zone entires (Kadri, Backlund, and Mangiapane). And our best bet would be to separate the three.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Toffoli
Dube-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Coleman-Backlund-Lewis

or

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Dube-Kadri-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Lewis

I could see that, my hope with my suggestion is that Dube does the zone entries and Lindholm gets better at it

Inglewood Jack · 10-21-2022, 02:15 PM

What, did Johnny ruin the puck carrying skills of Monahan AND Lindholm by denying them practice for years?

joejoe3 · 10-21-2022, 02:21 PM

Sutter said it at the beginning, it's about who gels better with Lindholm or Kadri.
Focus is probably how to best get Lindholm going.

saillias · 10-21-2022, 02:50 PM

Kylington still handing out likes on instagram to his team mates. I for one would like him back! But the thing about his situation is, we don't know what it is, so we don't know when or if he will ever come back. Is the guy pulling a Paul Ranger and retiring from hockey for mysterious personal reasons? I don't know.

The goodwill the fan base has right now for Stone is probably going to wear off as he plays more.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-21-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch

I also think Hanifin is under appreciated but if he allows you to bring in a similar piece on forward (age and ability) then I am for it. My dream is Pastrnak in Boston lol.

If we were getting a player like Pasternak, we would give them Zary and picks, not half of the top pair.

Mathgod · 10-21-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

Kylington still handing out likes on instagram to his team mates. I for one would like him back! But the thing about his situation is, we don't know what it is, so we don't know when or if he will ever come back. Is the guy pulling a Paul Ranger and retiring from hockey for mysterious personal reasons? I don't know.

The goodwill the fan base has right now for Stone is probably going to wear off as he plays more.

Stone wasn't the problem last night.

dino7c · 10-21-2022, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If we were getting a player like Pasternak, we would give them Zary and picks, not half of the top pair.

GL with that

GreenLantern2814 · 10-21-2022, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

GL with that

There’s no sense subtracting a top-pairing D for a first line RW.

The trade to make is futures and cap dumps, not anyone of note from the roster.

Mitch · 10-21-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There’s no sense subtracting a top-pairing D for a first line RW.

The trade to make is futures and cap dumps, not anyone of note from the roster.

Pastrnak is a superstar player, not going to get something done for someone of his calibre/age with just futures. If flames could get it done without Hanifin/other solid roster player, that would be a slam dunk.

genetic_phreek · 10-21-2022, 04:11 PM

Funny the no-trade Hanifin posters. It's not about wanting to trade him because he's undervalued or underappreciated, it's because we need a better RW and have a surplus of Dmen. Hanifin is the highest value Dman that could fetch us what we need and losing him would still have a lower impact. He's only signed up to the end of next season as well. People keep saying he's "young" and going to get better but need to look at Monahan as an example to someone that was in a similar trajectory in their respective positions at a similar age as well.

All these guys on here thinking we lost yesterday because we didn't have Hanifin is laughable.

mdubz · 10-21-2022, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Funny the no-trade Hanifin posters. It's not about wanting to trade him because he's undervalued or underappreciated, it's because we need a better RW and have a surplus of Dmen. Hanifin is the highest value Dman that could fetch us what we need and losing him would still have a lower impact. He's only signed up to the end of next season as well. People keep saying he's "young" and going to get better but need to look at Monahan as an example to someone that was in a similar trajectory in their respective positions at a similar age as well.

All these guys on here thinking we lost yesterday because we didn't have Hanifin is laughable.

The dman everyone wanted to trade for forward help is now apparently Lidstrom-level of value to this team.