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Macho0978 · 08-31-2022, 02:57 PM

I'm a fan of trading Hanifin if the return is good and the player is a true top line player or a top 6 forward who is young and more cost controlled with upside.

But if we can't get a good piece back I'm a fan of keeping him this season.

With the 6 d we have now I see so many pairings that could work very well for this team. Sutter can mix and match to find pairings that have good chemistry and really this team could have 3 pairings that are all pairings you can trust on the ice against most match ups.

The issue I have with our D is outside of Weegar, I just don't see a true #1 guy. Weegar is still a maybe too as I'm hopeful that he will be but at this point I don't see Hanifin, Andersson or Tanev being anything but good #2 or #3's.

Rasmus and Tanev for the next 2 to 4 years are being paid like #2 or even like a good #3 gets paid. Tanev won't command a raise but he might need to be replaced in 2 years. Rasmus is locked up for 4 years.

Hanifin might be getting #1 money in 2 years but not really be a #1. I'm fine to wait til next summer and try to re-sign him and if it doesn't go well trade him but I think people are dreaming if we can keep him in 2 years at less than $8 mil per year.

Once again, I'm ok to keep him but if you can get a more cost controlled player for less money it does make sense to move him.

Weegar probably gets $7 mil or so in this more restricted cap world and also due to his age. Weegar is a better player IMO and can be wrapped up hopefully for $7 mil or even a bit less.

If you could add a Jason Robertson for Hanifin and signed him for much less now than Hanifin commands in 2 years that could be a huge win for the Flames. Barzal was another player mentioned. Still like the move even if it hurts the d a bit this year as I still think Kylington has a bit more growth potential even though they are the same age just due to way less experience in the league for OK.

Macho0978 · 08-31-2022, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

I’m a huge fan of the steps he has taken over the last 2 seasons. That said, he has a ways to go before he becomes an elite defenseman that you can throw out there in all situations. There was a reason he wasn’t on the first PP or the first PK. The Norris conversation is extremely premature.

Exactly, he is a very solid player but I doubt anyone in NHL history has won the Norris not exceling on either the PP or PK. Also not overly great at high end tough match ups 5 on 5. Tanev is that guy for us.

So a solid #2 guy but unless he takes over the tough match up duties, or the #1 PK or the #1 PP how can anyone think he is a Norris candidate?

Yikes · 08-31-2022, 03:01 PM

The comment about Sutter rolling D pairings is interesting. Unless he is the team captain, is a number one D man even required anymore?

Macho0978 · 08-31-2022, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yikes

The comment about Sutter rolling D pairings is interesting. Unless he is the team captain, is a number one D man even required anymore?

Hedman and Makar say hello. The last 3 seasons an elite dman won the cup.

Pietrangelo was pretty good too.

Carlsson is better than anyone we have.

Letang probably is too but he has Crosby on his team.

Depth on d is great but can be overrated too when guys like Hedman/Makar can play 30 mins in the playoffs. Lots of great teams hardly use their 3rd pairing in the playoffs when they have a guy that good.

McDavid and Leon destroyed us but they got ice against all pairings. Colorado just loaded up Toews and Makar and played them 30 a night. McDavid had to go through them to score. He slowed right down once he faced a pairing that good

Textcritic · 08-31-2022, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why are some of you being asses to this poster because he has an opinion about where Hanifin can get to? This is what I am talking about, some of you are just getting really toxic.

You have to admit that this is a bit of a perplexing thread. I opened expecting some discussion about Hanifin and his bright future; perhaps some breakdown of how has has developed or where he is trending. But this is a little like if I launched a thread titled "Dillon Dube," and in the OP I said only "He's got a crazy good playoff beard."

I think there is something here worth talking about, but the OP doesn't really push discussion in any direction.

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GordonBlue · 08-31-2022, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why are some of you being asses to this poster because he has an opinion about where Hanifin can get to? This is what I am talking about, some of you are just getting really toxic.

probably due to how he behaved when he last went on a posting spree.

Yikes · 08-31-2022, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonBlue

probably due to how toxic he was when he last went on a posting spree.

Maybe, I do recall mentioning something about a cluster of people with alot of time on their hands doing nothing but infighting if things didn't go their way.

Sound about right?

gvitaly · 08-31-2022, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yikes

I did say his contract season...so two full season's from now. Maybe I'm nuts and yeah I wanted to move home for scoring going into the playoffs last year but... I like his game.

Yes, I understood that you meant two full seasons from now. The thing is that other young D will likely be improving as well. I don’t doubt Hanifin’s game will get better, but so would Makar’s, or Fox’s, or even Seider’s. There are a lot of great young D-men in the game, and it would require quite the upgrade to Hanifin’s game for Hanifin to even be in the conversation.

Yikes · 08-31-2022, 03:39 PM

Hmmm, good points. Not sure on Seider but Fox and Makar. Scary thought that Makar is going to only get better.

Nammer403 · 08-31-2022, 03:39 PM

OP name checks out

Enoch Root · 08-31-2022, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

I see him being our 4th best defenceman this year behind Tanev, Weegar and Andersson.

I don't think there are many bigger Tanev fans than me. However, I don't agree with your statement. I mean, I hope you're right, but I expect Tanev to have a bit of a down year after shoulder reconstruction. If he can be as good as he has been the last two years, great! But I am not counting on it.

IMO, or Dcore ranks as follows (for this upcoming season):

Weegar
Andersson and Hanifin (different players, but about equal in talent)
Tanev
Zadorov
Kylington (hoping he proves me wrong)

The reason I don't want to trade Hanifin is that Tanev is on the back 9, and Kylington is still a question mark. That may change in a year, but for now, I think it would be a mistake to move Hanifin.

Yikes · 08-31-2022, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think there are many bigger Tanev fans than me. However, I don't agree with your statement. I mean, I hope you're right, but I expect Tanev to have a bit of a down year after shoulder reconstruction. If he can be as good as he has been the last two years, great! But I am not counting on it.

IMO, or Dcore ranks as follows (for this upcoming season):

Weegar
Andersson and Hanifin (different players, but about equal in talent)
Tanev
Zadorov
Kylington (hoping he proves me wrong)

The reason I don't want to trade Hanifin is that Tanev is on the back 9, and Kylington is still a question mark. That may change in a year, but for now, I think it would be a mistake to move Hanifin.

I have not been following but I wonder how much worse Tanev's injury ended up being due to playing after the initial damage?

Enoch Root · 08-31-2022, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yikes

I have not been following but I wonder how much worse Tanev's injury ended up being due to playing after the initial damage?

Well he only played what, 2 games? He got hit once, but if further injury were a risk, they wouldn't have dressed him.

GreenLantern2814 · 08-31-2022, 03:58 PM

I just used my last keeper slot on Hanifin this season. 48 points with secondary PP time. Andersson only had 50.

He’s a high quality NHL D.

dash_pinched · 08-31-2022, 04:05 PM

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Owen15 · 08-31-2022, 04:25 PM

I am Mucho confused about this player.

In previous posts, mostly post post season, I am very frustrated with Hanifin. Last year I think he was a significant reason Markstrom was looking at 2/
On 1’s down low with Kane getting set up by McDavid. Argue away.

However, I recognize the guy has really grown. Last regular season he was awesome. Really a vision of what he might be in the future.

Maybe he’s just figuring it out still. A lot of teams should want this guy.

So yeah very confused with who this guy is.

CSharp · 08-31-2022, 05:10 PM

Flames are fairly deep defensively. Hanifin is one of the smoothest skating defensemen out there and he can be compared with JBo. The huge knock against both of these D-men is that they play soft and they get burned so often by speedy forwards who know they're aren't gonna get hit when entering the defensive zones. The difference between JBo and Hanifin is that JBo is somewhat slightly more offensive and Hanifin is more stay-at-home. Both of these D-men, I really don't care much about except to see what return they can bring. I'm sure Hanifin, right now, may be able to fetch either something in need on the team immediately (top 6 right wing/center) and/or high end prospect. If in 2 years down the road and he's not going to be anywhere near that Norris candidate that some thinks he's gonna be, that's a missed opportunity and you lose him to free agency for nothing. Sell high on a potential with Hanifin. He's replaceable.

timbit · 08-31-2022, 05:53 PM

Give or take a few days, Hanifin is 3 months younger than Andersson and 3 months older than Kylington.

Hanifin is bigger, skates better than both, and has more hockey IQ than both, IMO.

His upside is a very good1D, IMO. I don’t see that with the other 2.

I most certainly don’t see Treliving looking to move him, unless he is getting a similar aged and high quality top line F.

timbit · 08-31-2022, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

Flames are fairly deep defensively. Hanifin is one of the smoothest skating defensemen out there and he can be compared with JBo. The huge knock against both of these D-men is that they play soft and they get burned so often by speedy forwards who know they're aren't gonna get hit when entering the defensive zones. The difference between JBo and Hanifin is that JBo is somewhat slightly more offensive and Hanifin is more stay-at-home. Both of these D-men, I really don't care much about except to see what return they can bring. I'm sure Hanifin, right now, may be able to fetch either something in need on the team immediately (top 6 right wing/center) and/or high end prospect. If in 2 years down the road and he's not going to be anywhere near that Norris candidate that some thinks he's gonna be, that's a missed opportunity and you lose him to free agency for nothing. Sell high on a potential with Hanifin. He's replaceable.

In Jay’s 14 season career, his highest season point total was 46.

Noah had 48 last season.

Jay was a stay at home reliable D with very little interest on the offensive side.

Remarkable, as he is one of the 5 best skaters I have seen.

GreenLantern2814 · 08-31-2022, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Give or take a few days, Hanifin is 3 months younger than Andersson and 3 months older than Kylington.

Hanifin is bigger, skates better than both, and has more hockey IQ than both, IMO.

His upside is a very good1D, IMO. I don’t see that with the other 2.

I most certainly don’t see Treliving looking to move him, unless he is getting a similar aged and high quality top line F.

Hanifin plays like he’s 5 years older.

They’d trade Andersson before they’d trade Hanifin.