Rebuild is better and will hurt less.

[Hackey]

The Rangers were able to sign two superstars for free. Doubt the Flames can do the same. The only thing we should copy from the Rangers rebuild is that they made a statement to their fans stating the plan they had. The Flames ownership/management should do the same. Any retool is a recipe for more of the same. Do a half arse rebuild and get half arse results.

[flambers]

I don't believe the Flames would consider a rebuild, at best they might try a retool.

Not even sure with that, listen the press conference after Gaudreau left with the Flames GM. He stated we have lots of really good players etc.

Obviously that was before the Tkachuk saga started...

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Yes poll please! Need to send a message to BT and ownership. Of course they won't listen because they know better but...

Poll needs to clearly spell out the degree of change (edit further):

Status quo: Recoup 2 top 6 wingers for Tkachuk; no changes to core

Minor retool: One top 6 winger + picks/prospects for Tkachuk; no changes to core

Major retool: Recoup blue chip prospect(s) and draft picks for Tkachuk and at least 1 additional move of core

Rebuild: Recoup picks and prospects only for Tkachuk and move several core players out for additional picks/prospects

Complete tear down: Most of Tkachuk; Lindholm; Hanifin; Markstrom; Toffoli; Backlund and Tanev traded in next year for numerous picks and some blue chip prospects. Cap minimum club for 2-3 years or sell cap space for prospects/picks. Noone over 27 yrs old left. Untouchables are only Wolf; Pelletier; Coronato and two/three of our younger Dmen.

No matter which model the Flames choose - I can promise you:

If they are successful - people will say they picked the right one

If they screw it up - people will say they picked the wrong one.

[hah]

Memo:


Trelving to do list:


Sign or trade for the following to appease the causal fan base.



1) Barclay Goodrow


2) Fredrick Gaudreau


3) Boris Katchouk

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by hah

Memo:


Trelving to do list:


Sign or trade for the following to appease the causal fan base.



1) Barcley Goodrow


2) Fredrick Gaudreau


3) Boris Katchouk

[Newton]

Sometimes teams just take 1 step back to go 2 steps forward. I think in Alberta "Rebuild" has come to mean "Year 13 of a 5-year plan"- I don't use the term that way.

I really didn't think it was possible to lose one-star asset for nothing ... and then trade a star talent, for 2 high-level assets.

I think the Flames would have taken a step back next year no matter what, but at least there is hope for a higher ceiling now, and the Flames can look at trade deadline day if they are buyers or sellers.

[The Yen Man]

If the Flames are able to ink Weegar and Huberdeau to long term deals, I think Treliving in one move completely flipped the Flames narrative back to contention window for the next 4 or 5 years. All of a sudden, they are now a team that's probably one more top 6 forward away from having a cup contending team IMO, one that I'd argue is better setup than if we had Johnny and Tkatchuk instead.

With Huberdeau, you finally have a line driving puck possession forward who is harder to muscle off the puck. Weeagar gives the Flames a real solid top 4 group that I'd put up against any other defensive core in the league.

[edn88]

Given recent changes, not sure how you can move to a rebuild. You have the coach, goal tending, defense and a good forward group (that hopefully can get better).

Oilers will be a $h!t show this year now that Kane has his new contract, sounds like Vegas might not be back to full form either.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Dion

I want a NY Rangers style retool, Remain competitive and pick up assests along the way.

This is a super good option if we want to never win the cup or be competitive in the playoffs, and overpay all our players.

All that is required is to convince everyone that we are New York.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I think most people would rather see the team commit to collecting emerging young players and solid futures to get excited about as opposed to spinning our wheels as a middling team that just lost its two top guys.

I’m a season ticket holder and would continue to go and support if they take this approach. If they decide to add older guys and continue to go for it I will seriously reconsider my financial investment in a team that is clearly too blind, stubborn or ignorant to face reality.

This sucks but we need to adapt to the situation we now find ourselves in.

I enjoyed the 3 days that this was true and most supported a rebuild. All it took was losing Gaudreau for nothing, no sweat.

Then of course we immediately switched gears.

It'll probably be true for a day or two next year too, right around the time we realize we came up short, with no real prospects to speak of, and Huberdeau walks away for nothing.

Then management will instill some other kind of false hope (probably by trading away more first rounders) and the cycle will continue.

[Vinny01]

Treliving has completely retooled the team he started to build back in 2014.

He inherited a team that had to duo or Gaudreau-Monahan at 21 and 20 respectively. In addition the core of that team was Giordano, Brodie, Backlund, and the freshly drafted Sam Bennett. Ferland emerged as a potential key piece. Over the next couple of years he added Hamilton, Frolik, and Tkachuk to that mix and after a playoff sweep he went all in to add Hamonic to that mix.

The first major portion of the retooling came in 2018 where Hamilton, Ferland and top prospect Fox were moved for Lindholm and Hanifin. James Neal, and Derek Ryan were also brought in to help the team get over the hump. The results were solid the team finished 1st in the west but got spanked by the emerging juggernaut and current champs the Avalanche.

Over the next 2 years much of the retooling was done in free agency. Neal was swapped for Lucic in a trade of bad contracts. Brodie, and Gio would be lost for nothing while Markstrom, Tanev, and Coleman were added. Bennett never panned out and was dealt for futures which were used in part to land Toffoli and Jarnkrok in 2022. The 22 team was back on top in the regular season and won a round of playoffs before Gaudreau walked and Tkachuk advised he wasn’t coming back.

The core Treliving wanted to push all in on in 2017:
Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Backlund, Brodie, Giordano, Hamilton, Hamonic

The core of the team today:
Huberdeau, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Andersson, Weegar, Tanev, Markstrom

Only Monahan and Backlund remain from the day Treliving took over. It appears Tkachuk and Hamilton brought back key core pieces in their deals and while some have been lost for nothing others have been added in free agency.

I like the look of the team right now and believe they are still positioned to contend despite losing many of the core pieces and basically all the top 6 picks being traded or relegated to a bit part.

[GioforPM]

^^. All true of course, but some of the retooling was not his choice, particularly the last moves (though he obviously responded well).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^. All true of course, but some of the retooling was not his choice, particularly the last moves (though he obviously responded well).

Agreed. The Hamilton move was certainly a planned move as he went into the draft shopping him around. Tkachuk was certainly a reactionary move but in both cases I was extremely pleased with the returns on those deals. The Hamilton trade was his best move as GM in my opinion but depending on the extensions for Huby and Weegs I think that move may end up being his best work.

I do think if the Flames decided to move on from Treliving he would become a GM again in short order. He has gained a lot of league wide respect and admiration after this most recent deal no doubt.