[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

I though club elected arbitration meant he could get 85 percent of his QO?

Please correct me if I am wrong!

I believe this is only the case if the team files for salary arbitration before giving the player the QO.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Treliving knocking it out of the park.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

This makes a ton of sense.

Don't think they were worried about offer sheet. They were worried he'd accept his QO which he can't now and be guaranteed only a 1 year deal with extension only being possible in 2023.

Smart move, basically gives them time until his arbitration to work out a long term deal.

When is the arbitration? Like how far did they kick the can down the road with this?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I wonder if it also gives them more time to complete some things they hope will convince him for a long term deal? Not really sure what those would be, but maybe working on stuff if that's one of Chucky's hang ups as they chat.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

This makes a ton of sense.

Don't think they were worried about offer sheet. They were worried he'd accept his QO which he can't now and be guaranteed only a 1 year deal with extension only being possible in 2023.

Smart move, basically gives them time until his arbitration to work out a long term deal.

Well I believe the Flames can't offer less than 9 million in arbitration and guaranteed his agent ask for more so the ruling will be for at least 9 million and still may only be 1 year but does remove the offer sheet aspect. This could be to have more time to work out a deal or possibly they are working on a trade and needed to remove the offer sheet threat.

[ComixZone]

If the risk of Chucky accepting his QO or signing an offer sheet was significant enough to require this filing…I don’t like our odds of ending up with a long-term extension.

If he doesn’t want to be here, just trade him.

One star leaves, and now we have to use legal avenues to (potentially) maintain our other star’s rights…I mean, things aren’t exactly going great.

[tony-soprano]

Oh yes, this gon be fun! Lets go!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by manwiches

When is the deadline to get this done?

I think arbitrations usually get scheduled in mid-August, depending how many there are.

I would be interested to know if the Flames can argue for a two year award. I am guessing no, since he could have been eligible for UFA status in one. I doubt the arbitrator can take a year of UFA eligibility away.

What this really does is buy some time to figure out if they can work out a long term deal. It also suggests that they probably thought that Tkachuk was just going to accept his QO. I doubt the Flames were worried about an offer sheet as that would probably just help them sign him by matching, or get back four 1st rounders.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So it prevents an offer sheet, which prevents someone else from signing Tkachuk longterm and prevents the Flames from matching that offer and getting him longterm (or getting the compensation which likely would have been 4 first round picks). It guarantees that they will have to pay him equal to or more than his QO and if it goes through arbitration guarantees that he is in the same position as Mark Stone was in his last year as an Ottawa Senator as it can only be a one year contract. The only possible reason you would elect to go to arbitration is to ensure that you have him for game one of the season, because everything else that could happen without arbitration gives you more options to either get him signed longterm or get pretty good compensation for him (and I guess it give you more time to get a deal done because the arbitration won't be until August sometime).

Could also be that they are working to trade him and want to make sure another team doesn't throw a wrench into that.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the risk of Chucky accepting his QO or signing an offer sheet was significant enough to require this filing…I don’t like our odds of ending up with a long-term extension.

If he doesn’t want to be here, just trade him.

One star leaves, and now we have to use legal avenues to (potentially) maintain our other star’s rights…I mean, things aren’t exactly going great.

As others have said, the QO actually likely wasn't a bad thing for the Flames. Means he was likely open to playing here, as he'd know the Flames have the option to match. From the Flames perspective the compensation if they didn't want to match was have been good.

I agree with you on the QO part though, and probably the more likely reason they did this. Which means trade him if that was the risk. But if that's where they are at, there is 0 reason for the Flames not to do this, it's the right move. Gives them control and timeline on making a trade.

[Ashasx]

I would rather the Flames use this extended timeline to now find a suitable trading partner, rather than trying to negotiate a contract with a player who doesn't want to be here just to have to trade him at the last second.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the risk of Chucky accepting his QO or signing an offer sheet was significant enough to require this filing…I don’t like our odds of ending up with a long-term extension.

If he doesn’t want to be here, just trade him.

One star leaves, and now we have to use legal avenues to (potentially) maintain our other star’s rights…I mean, things aren’t exactly going great.

I hear Columbus has cap room and is willing to party...

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Slava

When is the arbitration? Like how far did they kick the can down the road with this?

Arbitration dates will be assigned from July 27 to August 11. The dates for each player should be announced in the next couple of days.

[Roof-Daddy]

Question:

Can the Flames still trade him now, or would they have to wait until arbitration is over?

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I wonder if it also gives them more time to complete some things they hope will convince him for a long term deal? Not really sure what those would be, but maybe working on stuff if that's one of Chucky's hang ups as they chat.

I don't think they can get the stadium built that quickly. Or find the missing 115 points from the roster.

[rhino]

[QUOTE=sureLoss;8373291]I believe this is only the case if the team files for salary arbitration before giving the player the QO.[/QUOTE

Actually the way I read it is the arbitration allows the Flames to offer 85% of last years salary which would be the lowest award an arbitrator could do. So this typically is done if a team feels the player is overpaid, unlikely in this scenario however does allow the flames to be under 9. This could also mean they knew he was intending to sign the QO and walk in a year or sign an offer sheet forcing their hand. I think the Flames said #### it and took back control to some extent.

[PepsiFree]

If Tkachuk wanted to sign his qualifying offer or go to arbitration to get to UFA faster, why didn’t he do either of these things before this window?

[flamesrule_kipper34]

I get that we're all still reeling from John leaving but let's not over assume things here.

I see this as a positive to take the element of signing the QO. It could be as simple as Chucky and his agent feel his value is worth x for a long term deal and the Flames think it's Y and Chucky was threatening that because of the gap he was willing to do a "bet on me" deal by accepting his QO.

This now would give them more time (at least until July 27, depending on when his arbitration gets scheduled). So a minimum extension of 5 days.

People can read into him not wanting to be here, or how far apart they may be etc. etc. But this really gives them a lot more flexibility (on signing, trading and etc.) with basically no downside in realistic terms.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by rhino

Actually the way I read it is the arbitration allows the Flames to offer 85% of last years salary which would be the lowest award an arbitrator could do. So this typically is done if a team feels the player is overpaid, unlikely in this scenario however does allow the flames to be under 9. This could also mean they knew he was intending to sign the QO and walk in a year or sign an offer sheet forcing their hand. I think the Flames said #### it and took back control to some extent.

Ya I don't think that is true, but even if for some reason the Flames could offer 7.65 million, the arbitrator will give much more than that for a 104 point player.

[Ashasx]

If this actually goes to arbitration, the Flames have already lost.