[Signing] Senators extend C Josh Norris (8 years, $63.6M, $7.95M AAV)

[Jason14h]

Stupid Ottawa . Should have locked him up for 3-5 years like our organization to save a bit of coin !

[lazypucker]

Why is it so easy for the Sens to lock up young talent long term and the Flames finds it so difficult? Brady, Chabot, Matheson, and now Norris -Isn't Ottawa a worse Canadian small market team with no appeal to anyone?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Stupid Ottawa . Should have locked him up for 3-5 years like our organization to save a bit of coin !

They are idiots, should have signed him to take him right to UFA. They only bought 4 years of UFA status. Probably cost them an extra 3 million a year for the next 3 years in a time period where they have ample cap room and can absorb it. Now they can’t go get UFA’s.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Why is it so easy for the Sens to lock up young talent long term and the Flames finds it so difficult? Isn't Ottawa a worse Canadian small market team with no appeal to anyone?

Ottawa rarely signs UFA’s unlike us so they have more cap space to spend on their own RFA’s longterm.

[Macho0978]

Ottawa setting up very nicely when the cap explodes in 3 years.

Flames need to do the same

[SuperMatt18]

It's probably about $1M too much but hey you get the guy locked up and get him for 8 years.

As a side note it's amazing that Melnyk's daughters seem to be actually close to the team, were at the draft, and appear to be doing a good job as owners.

Appears that they have opened up the wallet and are allowing the Senators to spend to the cap too.

Man I would have loved to be in my 20s and inherited $1B and an NHL team.

[Enoch Root]

I think we are going to see more of this type of deal, especially from the Cdn teams. Instead of trying to get a couple more cheap RFA years, and then try to lock the player up long term when they get closer to FA, why not lock them up earlier? This deal will cover his 23 through 30 years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think we are going to see more of this type of deal, especially from the Cdn teams. Instead of trying to get a couple more cheap RFA years, and then try to lock the player up long term when they get closer to FA, why not lock them up earlier? This deal will cover his 23 through 30 years.

Those will likely be his best years. Ottawa knows that outside of a local kid (Giroux) they are not going to get free agents. So why not build through the draft and try to lock guys down longterm.

Assuming they sign Debrincet and Stutzle longterm next summer, their forwards for the next 3 years are

Tkachuk Norris Batherson

Debrincet Stutzle. Giroux

Not a bad forward core to build around.

[GreenLantern2814]

That’s so stupid.

One 35g season (with 20 assists lmao) gets you $64M.

Unreal.

[home_sweet_dome]

With the Sens signing Giroux and extending Norris this week wonder if there's any way the Flames could get Stutzle in a potential Tkachuk trade.

Young cost controlled C with #1C and even franchise C upside.

Would be my #1 semi-realistic target if they do end up trading Tkachuk.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That’s so stupid.

One 35g season (with 20 assists lmao) gets you $64M.

Unreal.

Think how many Neals and Brouwers you could sign if you did a shorter bridge deal !

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

With the Sens signing Giroux and extending Norris this week wonder if there's any way the Flames could get Stutzle in a potential Tkachuk trade.

Young cost controlled C with #1C and even franchise C upside.

Would be my #1 semi-realistic target if they do end up trading Tkachuk.

Drake Drake Drake and some more Drake.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Why is it so easy for the Sens to lock up young talent long term and the Flames finds it so difficult? Brady, Chabot, Matheson, and now Norris -Isn't Ottawa a worse Canadian small market team with no appeal to anyone?

Because they overpay to keep their guys.

None of them are worth what they paid, production wise.

Tkachuk isn’t, Chabot isn’t, Norris isn’t, Batherson isn’t.

But they’re theirs. So that’s something.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Because they overpay to keep their guys.

None of them are worth what they paid, production wise.

Tkachuk isn’t, Chabot isn’t, Norris isn’t, Batherson isn’t.

But they’re theirs. So that’s something.

Batherson - 4.9 million for 0.95 PPG
Tkachuk - 8.2 million for 0.85 PPG
Norris - 7.95 million for 0.83 PPG

Milan Lucic - 5.25 million for 0.26 PPG
Coleman - 4.9 million for 0.41 PPG

Two different approaches, will have to see how it works out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Why is it so easy for the Sens to lock up young talent long term and the Flames finds it so difficult? Brady, Chabot, Matheson, and now Norris -Isn't Ottawa a worse Canadian small market team with no appeal to anyone?

Which one of these guys had over 100 points?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Batherson - 4.9 million for 0.95 PPG
Tkachuk - 8.2 million for 0.85 PPG
Norris - 7.95 million for 0.83 PPG

Milan Lucic - 5.25 million for 0.26 PPG
Coleman - 4.9 million for 0.41 PPG

Two different approaches, will have to see how it works out.

Those are apples to oranges and the Flames didn't even sign Lucic

Use Gaudreau's second contract to PPG not a cap dump and a 2 time cup champion UFA who excels in other areas

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Which one of these guys had over 100 points?

That why you lock them up for 8 years so you don’t get blindsided if they have a career year

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Batherson - 4.9 million for 0.95 PPG
Tkachuk - 8.2 million for 0.85 PPG
Norris - 7.95 million for 0.83 PPG

Milan Lucic - 5.25 million for 0.26 PPG
Coleman - 4.9 million for 0.41 PPG

Two different approaches, will have to see how it works out.

That might be the most disingenuous comparison post I have ever seen.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Those are apples to oranges and the Flames didn't even sign Lucic

Use Gaudreau's second contract to PPG not a cap dump and a 2 time cup champion UFA who excels in other areas

I think every Flames fan would have preferred if Johnny was signed for 8 years at 7.5 million in 2016 instead of 6 years at 6.75. So I agree with you that we should have signed him longer.

The reason why the Flames will pay Mangiapane 5.5 million next year instead of 4 million is they could not sign him to a long term contract two years ago because they did not have the cap space. Teams like Ottawa and Calgary will always have a hard time attracting quality free agents, thus why they sign Brouwer’s and end up with Lucic because they sign Neal’s. Contracts like those are absolute killers when a team like the Flames should be trying to lockdown RFA’s longterm every single time.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That might be the most disingenuous comparison post I have ever seen.

The reason why the Flames signed Mangiapane to a two year deal is because of Brouwer and Lucic. The fact that the Flames have to sign him to big dollars this off-season is a huge fail from management. But they could not sign him for 4.3 million over 7 years two years ago because they did not have the cap space. Other teams seem to get RFA’s signed longterm.