Kadri a fit in Calgary?

[gvitaly]

In any sport i’m usually weary of getting players after a huge leap in production during a contract year. If it was about 20-30 years ago I would blame it on PEDs that aren’t yet regulated.

In Kadri’s case I think he benefited from playing with elite players on a deep team. In a Flames uniform I don’t expect his production to be higher than a 55-60 pt guy for the next 3 years, and a drop to 40-45 in the following couple. That’s why if the Flames could get him on a totally unrealistic $5.5M x 5 years he would be a good fit. Anything more than that and he would have a hard time meeting expectations.

[Sylvanfan]

It would depend on contract and term. I would not be handing out a 7 year deal thinking that he's a 80 point player. But what is a 25 goal and 45-50 point second line center worth, likely over 6 as a UFA. Problem will be if teams see him as this or do they think he's more? I suspect he's getting 6 years and a number starting at 7 with teams thinking he's more 87 point guy than the 50 point guy he's been. Durability is also a concern as he misses time nearly every year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

In any sport i’m usually weary of getting players after a huge leap in production during a contract year. If it was about 20-30 years ago I would blame it on PEDs that aren’t yet regulated.

In Kadri’s case I think he benefited from playing with elite players on a deep team. In a Flames uniform I don’t expect his production to be higher than a 55-60 pt guy for the next 3 years, and a drop to 40-45 in the following couple. That’s why if the Flames could get him on a totally unrealistic $5.5M x 5 years he would be a good fit. Anything more than that and he would have a hard time meeting expectations.

Not the same situation or the same age but Gaudreau just had an equivalent increase from his previous 2 years.

But yeah, here Kadri would have Mangiapane and Toffoli. Not two of Rantanen, Landeskog, Nishuskin, etc. or Makar supporting. Kadri was either filling in for Mackinnon and getting 1C minutes, or super sheltered as a C when Mackinnon was in.

[Poe969]

I think if Kadri signed here it would unite the fans.

Everyone would be upset and want rebuild.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Well, if they lose Johnny, they would have to look for some UFAs to replace his production.

I have no issue with Kadri, per se...

Any UFA is going to be an overpay, but Kadri is a bit older than I would like unless you were able to sign him for a 3-4 year contract.

[agulati]

At the cap hit he would be commanding, I don’t want him. There is a very good likelihood that he regresses.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not the same situation or the same age but Gaudreau just had an equivalent increase from his previous 2 years.

But yeah, here Kadri would have Mangiapane and Toffoli. Not two of Rantanen, Landeskog, Nishuskin, etc. or Makar supporting. Kadri was either filling in for Mackinnon and getting 1C minutes, or super sheltered as a C when Mackinnon was in.

Regarding Gaudreau when I take the production in a bubble it does light a red light in my head. However, when I consider that he was playing with much better line mates(Monahan, Ritchie), and a new coach that rounded his game and made his game more mature it doesn’t really fit that narrative. In addition he showed the ability to score 99 points in a previous season. For me he has proven beyond all doubt that he was the driving force behind Gaudreau-Monahan all along. I’m personally more worried about paying Tkachuk as a 100 point guy.

Kadri largely seemed to be in the same situation, on the same team, with the same line mates, for the same coach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Regarding Gaudreau when I take the production in a bubble it does light a red light in my head. However, when I consider that he was playing with much better line mates(Monahan, Ritchie), and a new coach that rounded his game and made his game more mature it doesn’t really fit that narrative. In addition he showed the ability to score 99 points in a previous season. For me he has proven beyond all doubt that he was the driving force behind Gaudreau-Monahan all along. I’m personally more worried about paying Tkachuk as a 100 point guy.

Kadri largely seemed to be in the same situation, on the same team, with the same line mates, for the same coach.

Sure, I agree, his previous 2 seasons seem to be the outlier, though I would bet there’s a good chance he doesn’t manage 110 points again as well. It’s a fact though, that in any negotiation, his 3 year average will be discussed, not just his latest season.

[Moneyhands23]

Kadri as the 2nd line center is great and all. But really the team would need to move Monahan, Looch and probably Backlund.

Assuming we are keeping johnny and Tkachuk.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Kadri as the 2nd line center is great and all. But really the team would need to move Monahan, Looch and probably Backlund.

Assuming we are keeping johnny and Tkachuk.

Salary is a problem. But term will be too.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Kadri as the 2nd line center is great and all. But really the team would need to move Monahan, Looch and probably Backlund.

Assuming we are keeping johnny and Tkachuk.

There is no chance for Kadri if we keep Johnny and Tkachuk

Even if Treliving can move Lucic and/or Monahan. He is going to have to scrub the bargain bin to fill the remaining roster. Don’t forget we also have to sign Mangi, Kylington and Gud

[Royle9]

Worst contingency plan for Flames would be signing Kadri.
I’d bet money on him not getting near 100pts again.

Like the player but not for 8.5+

[Pipty]

Would be a disaster if we don't sign Gaudreau and instead Kadri. We need to get our own 1-3 picks over few years and stop prolonging a half assed rebuild drafting in the 10-20 spots. But like politicians, GM's will always favor saving their jobs and look to expensive and old ufas that have won elsewhere and now looking for a retirement contract. Gaudreau would be the rare exceptions of someone worth signing ufa due to his age and skill, most of these would have already been locked up long before.

If we do lose him and likely, we should trade Tkachuk, as he will be gone too. Collect draft picks and not sign 30 year old ufas.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Worst contingency plan for Flames would be signing Kadri.
I’d bet money on him not getting near 100pts again.

Like the player but not for 8.5+

Err I mean I understand not wanting to overpay a UFA but there is surely much worse contingency plans than signing a high impact C and stanley cup winner.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

He vetoed a trade to the Flames. He’s not even an option

He vetoed a trade to Calgary out of desperation to stay in Toronto. I don't think that means he is dead-set against playing here.

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[chedder]

He's 32 and he just got his cup. He's going to be very underwhelming next year.

[activeStick]

I'd be completely okay with Kadri at 6.5 but a number that approaches or exceeds 8 is going to be too high given his historical production. Well worth it if he can score as he did last season, so it depends if you think a 32 year old who finally found his offensive game can and will continue to produce at that clip. Not a great bet for me. But as a player, he brings a lot of elements I like in a player including getting under the skin of opponents.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think he would be a James Neal replacement. I would pass myself, which probably means we are in on him if we don’t sign Johnny.

Nope sorry, Kadri actually has a give a damn meter

[Fan69]

Would go after Miller all things being equal

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think he would be a James Neal replacement. I would pass myself, which probably means we are in on him if we don’t sign Johnny.

Yeah I get the hesitation and concern about the cap-hit and term that Kadri would accrue, but comparing him to James Neal is ridiculous.

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