06-16-2022, 04:06 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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I hate this trading LTIR crap.
They've got to fix this.
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06-16-2022, 04:08 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Vegas has the two Sheas!
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06-16-2022, 04:16 PM
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Don't click that link!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Rural Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Vegas has the two Sheas!
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All of the Sheas and no shame.
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06-16-2022, 04:19 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I hate this trading LTIR crap.
They've got to fix this.
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Yeah this is a joke.
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06-16-2022, 04:24 PM
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#25
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classic Vegas, trading perfectly healthy players for injured ones
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06-16-2022, 04:25 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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I've stopped hoping for a fix of this LTIR crap. Pretty clear the league doesn't give a fig about it, sadly.
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06-16-2022, 04:26 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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The Vegas Golden Knights just traded Dadonov for less than nothing.
Out: One of their most useful forwards
In: The obligation to pay a player who can't play, but whose cap hit can be LTIR'd once next season starts
They'd have done better just to trade Dadonov for future considerations, but nobody was giving them that.
Remember, for most of last season, Vegas only had the second highest payroll in the NHL. Montreal was first. By the very end of the season, Vegas pulled slightly ahead. Basically, Montreal is getting out of cap hell and gaining a good player, Vegas is losing a good player just to make their cap hell a little more manageable.
I say it looks good on them.
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06-16-2022, 04:28 PM
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#28
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they annoying part is we missed an entire year of the NHL just to get a cap only to allow teams to make a joke of it
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06-16-2022, 04:28 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I hate this trading LTIR crap.
They've got to fix this.
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I wish it was as simple as not being allowed to trade injured players. Would clear a lot of it up, but of course new loopholes would probably be found.
The LTIR cap relief is really the problem. If a player's too injured to continue to play in the foreseeable future, it'd be better if it was just treated like a retired contract - it just ends/shifts into some different type of non-cap-related contract so that they player still gets paid, but the team doesn't get the cap hit. Then they're treated as a non-eligible player or something so that contract can't be traded.
I'm not an expert at the "legalese" of it all so apologies if the above is just as confusing as the current setup, lol.
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06-16-2022, 04:31 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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it worked so well for the Knights last year. They aren't going to change it, because it isn't worth opening up the CBA.
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06-16-2022, 04:35 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Is Shea Weber LTIR'd? I thought he was traditionally retired
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As with Hossa he never intended to play the last years of the contract where his salary dropped considerably. You don't go from playing 25 minutes a game in 22 playoff games to not being able to play anymore unless it's salary related because if he was due to get paid $6 million he would have suited up for the Habs this season. It's a good deal for the players as they still get paid for not playing and it helps the teams avoid salary cap penalties.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 06-16-2022 at 04:39 PM.
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06-16-2022, 04:50 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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I don't care for the LTIR shenanigans, but this ain't that and Vegas is worse after this deal. Montreal is a little better, but still with plenty of cap issues.
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06-16-2022, 05:03 PM
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#33
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Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
As with Hossa he never intended to play the last years of the contract where his salary dropped considerably. You don't go from playing 25 minutes a game in 22 playoff games to not being able to play anymore unless it's salary related because if he was due to get paid $6 million he would have suited up for the Habs this season. It's a good deal for the players as they still get paid for not playing and it helps the teams avoid salary cap penalties.
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Dude the guy has been playing on one ankle for like 3 seasons. His gave his body up for the game, and he physically can’t play anymore. Without significant drugs at least. This was reported by Kypreos years ago.
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06-16-2022, 05:17 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Dude the guy has been playing on one ankle for like 3 seasons. His gave his body up for the game, and he physically can’t play anymore.
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Don't be silly. Everybody knows players are indestructible robots. All their so-called injuries are faked for cap purposes.
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06-16-2022, 05:18 PM
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They could have easily fixed it by simply ruling that it was cap circumvention to begin with, but once they let it happen a couple of times that precedent was set.
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06-16-2022, 05:24 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Doesn't also mean if they are taking advantage of LTIR at the beginning of the season, they can't accrue cap space during the season? At the very least, they won't be able to get rentals at the deadline. They are putting a lot of faith in a very injury prone roster.
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06-16-2022, 05:46 PM
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It's not easy being green!
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: In the tubes to Vancouver Island
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I don't have issues with LTIR space not counting against the cap if the player actually played for the team, but trading for a contract that will only ever be LTIR should count against your cap. It's 100% circumvention in practice. Vegas are a bunch of cheaters and they should feel nothing but pain for decades to come for this.
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06-16-2022, 05:53 PM
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#38
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Why are people mad Vegas lost a good player for nothing AND have to pay the salary of an injured player ?
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06-16-2022, 05:56 PM
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#39
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Doesn't also mean if they are taking advantage of LTIR at the beginning of the season, they can't accrue cap space during the season? At the very least, they won't be able to get rentals at the deadline. They are putting a lot of faith in a very injury prone roster.
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Watch them put a bunch of players on LTIR right before the deadline to get the rental players ha.
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06-16-2022, 06:03 PM
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#40
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
As with Hossa he never intended to play the last years of the contract where his salary dropped considerably. You don't go from playing 25 minutes a game in 22 playoff games to not being able to play anymore unless it's salary related because if he was due to get paid $6 million he would have suited up for the Habs this season. It's a good deal for the players as they still get paid for not playing and it helps the teams avoid salary cap penalties.
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He was due to get paid 6M. That's what he got. 6M in 2021-2022 where he suited up for a total of 0 games. So either the Canadiens paid him 6M for nothing or they committed insurance fraud ha.
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