Calder finalists are....

[cral12]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Zegras has unbelievable hands. Tons of fun to watch.

Bunting LOL. Drafted in 2014, this is purely a Toronto thing.

Seider is a 50 pt rookie d-man who hits like a truck. I think he should win it comfortably.

Zegras uber-talented but Seider is the correct answer as to whoe wins Calder.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Seider should win it. 50 point rookie defenseman is more impressive then what Bunting and Zegras did

[TheScorpion]

Seider should run away with this.

[dino7c]

Bunting is an absolute joke for this award

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Seider should win, easily.

Seider
Zegras
Bunting

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Being on a worse team gave Raymond opportunity to play on the top unit of the powerplay where he put up a significant amount of his points. And it's not like Larkin and Bertuzzi are chopped liver.

I think Bunting, Raymond, and maybe even someone like Jeannot who brought more than just scoring to the table could make reasonable cases to be the third nomination.

These aren't nominations. It's the top 3 after the voting is done.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Makarov won his as a Flame at age 31.

Makarov’s win was the reason for the age limit of 26. Surely you’re not suggesting Bunting has had the same impact as Makarov did in his “first” season. IIRC, Toronto once had a 27-year old Calder winner - Kent Douglas. Maybe that’s why they chose 26 for the Makarov rule.

[1qqaaz]

I don't care about Bunting's age. Either way, Seider clearly should win IMO.

Actually, I don't even think there should be an age limit. It's a cool story when guys break in later in their careers.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I don't care about Bunting's age. Either way, Seider clearly should win IMO.

Actually, I don't even think there should be an age limit. It's a cool story when guys break in later in their careers.

you sort of get the reason why- in part it depends on the relative strengths and circumstances regarding why players are late to join the NHL. difference between a shlub toiling in the minors or someguy who was drafted highly and making coin in Europe instead (as 2 extremes)


depends what the award is trying to capture


a new player that made the most impact on the league
a young player that is likely to have an impact going forward (** I realize that is not what the award is really for nor should it be, but I think that can weigh in)


look back 20 years and people will say things like "I can't believe 20 years ago 18 year old future hall of famer with a great rookie season lost the Calder to 26 year old random guy that scored a bunch of powerplay goals and was out of the league by 31"


(the latter is a completely imaginary scenario not meant to reflect any current or past season

[devo22]

I think Zegras is going to be a stud, but Seider should run away with this. Feels a bit wrong to see Bunting on this list at 26, but if there's any common sense among the voters then he should finish 3rd anyway.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by looooob

you sort of get the reason why- in part it depends on the relative strengths and circumstances regarding why players are late to join the NHL. difference between a shlub toiling in the minors or someguy who was drafted highly and making coin in Europe instead (as 2 extremes)


depends what the award is trying to capture


a new player that made the most impact on the league
a young player that is likely to have an impact going forward (** I realize that is not what the award is really for nor should it be, but I think that can weigh in)


look back 20 years and people will say things like "I can't believe 20 years ago 18 year old future hall of famer with a great rookie season lost the Calder to 26 year old random guy that scored a bunch of powerplay goals and was out of the league by 31"


(the latter is a completely imaginary scenario not meant to reflect any current or past season

Stone versus Gaudreau was a bit weird. Stone had had pretty significant time in the league over two seasons before his "rookie" year. His game total of 23 (plus 2 PO games) was just under the cut off and of course the rest of those two seasons were pro.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by looooob

you sort of get the reason why- in part it depends on the relative strengths and circumstances regarding why players are late to join the NHL. difference between a shlub toiling in the minors or someguy who was drafted highly and making coin in Europe instead (as 2 extremes)


depends what the award is trying to capture


a new player that made the most impact on the league
a young player that is likely to have an impact going forward (** I realize that is not what the award is really for nor should it be, but I think that can weigh in)


look back 20 years and people will say things like "I can't believe 20 years ago 18 year old future hall of famer with a great rookie season lost the Calder to 26 year old random guy that scored a bunch of powerplay goals and was out of the league by 31"


(the latter is a completely imaginary scenario not meant to reflect any current or past season

Yes, it almost seems like it should be two separate awards.
But it's not always an issue. These would often be the same person.

[Knut]

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Actually, I don't even think there should be an age limit. It's a cool story when guys break in later in their careers.

Totally agree.

In the case of Makarov, I think part of the annoyance wasn't so much his age, but that he came over to the NHL as an established player in Russia and a reputation as one of the best players in the world already. I guess making an age limit is a more tangible way of controlling that, but isn't perfect either.

[dino7c]

Disagree...guy has played over 400 pro games before this season. Give it to a kid

[dammage79]

I thought Dawson Mercer was going to be a nominee as well.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I know these other players scored more, but Anton Lundell in Florida had 44 points (5th in scoring) but was a +33. That's incredible for a rookie.

The other top scorers (outside of Bunting who shouldn't qualify due to age) were well into the minus.

For my money, the winner should be Seider. Great young d-man who played a physical game and defended fairly well, then managed to put up some points.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Plus minus is dumb and you just gave an example of why. Lindell was on the top team in the league. Of course he has a high plus minus.

Bunting was also very good, but he played on a line with the MVP and one of the best playmakers in the league. As far as eligibility, he shouldn't be, but until they change the rule, he is. So no use complaining about it.

Seider will win regardless.

[CroFlames]

Lundell should get some votes for sure. Great season.