Sutter spoke to officiating supervisor

[McG]

Originally Posted by timun

It was Kylington and Raffl in the second period. Raffl grabbed Kylington's shirtsleeve and was goading him to fight, but Kylington just looked at the refs like "WTF?" Eventually an official stepped in and lightly karate-chopped Raffl's wrist to get him to let go, but they both got roughing penalties.

Yeah. 2 minutes for having a sticky shirt.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I don't get the 4-4 stuff. I've never seen so many 4-4 in ~32 years of watching hockey.

It should be to the Flames advantage… especially when Gaudreau is out there

[Flames_Gimp]

glad sutter did something, maybe the refs will actually call the dirty stuff like a slewfoot 5ft from the boards!

if a team is going to run around with no regard for player safety they need to be penalized until they start playing clean and like good sports! The Stars suck! booooooo

[topfiverecords]

It’s caused by teams like the Oilers who have no depth and are at the cap that are advocating behind the scenes for permanent 4 vs 4. This would allow teams to reduce rosters by 4 players from 23 to 19.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Sutter comments on this topic starting at about 5:13 of this video.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1523384741734453248

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I thought Smurf’s name was Janine…

[Philly06Cup]

Over the last number of years, there has been a trend that penalties go up in the first round, but taper off dramatically once the finals begin.

Theory:

Bettman / The NHL hates its reputation that they put away the whistles for playoffs. They have instructed refs to call more penalties in round one to combat this reputation. This mandate gets softened as the playoffs continue. Refs also naturally don't want to call penalties in important game situations (living up to their reputation)

[CGY12]

The officiating is piss poor most of the time, for all teams. The call in the 3rd on a nothing play, dumb by Coleman for sure but really weak call IMO. Then they put the whistles away. The problem is its never consistent and the players are often guessing as to how its going to go on a period to period and game to game basis.

Maybe its the rose coloured glasses but you watch the Oilers series and the Kings get called for the softest crap (you are supposed to have to fight for your ice in the playoffs), then you watch our series and its called completely differently.

Anyway not blaming the officials on our predicament, team has to be better and go more to those dirty areas.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

No word on the player who slashed Gaudreau in the neck and then scored 2 goals?

Johnny bumps him then gets slashed in the effin neck and they both head off for 4 on 4.

Maybe observe the scrums instead of just resorting to offsetting penalties as a default each time.


All that said, id like to see us play well enough that penalties called are inconsequential.

We had some PPs. Let's try scoring on some of them.

[meh]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

I don't think it's about missed calls. Those happen. It's about the idea of always taking two guys. There was a time they'd grab one and make it more painful for one team to prevent them from all the stupid stuff.

I wouldn’t like to see this though. The Flames would always get the short end of that stick.

[OldDutch]

Bettman all but confirmed the officials were guided by the league, to enforce the rules this playoffs much tighter. He said “there is no regular season penalty, and playoff penalty, it’s a penaty, and we spoke to our officials about being consistent”

Which sounds fair until you pick apart his lawyer speak. Fans don’t want different rules for playoffs, they want a higher bar of certainty. Which isn’t what has happened. Refs are calling ticky tack all over and offsetting penalties frequently.

What I think the truth is that the league put indirect pressure on refs to call penalties to make the game more exciting. They want to see more goals from McDavid, McKinnon, and
Matthews. Its meant to better marketing getting highlights out there to casual fans to watch.

Bottom line this slants tables to teams that chose to build around 1 or 2 PP stars and are weak otherwise vs teams that are structured and balanced.

I don’t blame a guy like Sutter who is a stalwart of the game for watching the NHL marketing department bend the game over and “compromise” it in front of him.

[Erick Estrada]

It seems like too many Flames are letting the Stars players get under their skin. I don't remember Mangiapane getting so involved in skirmishes after the whistle as it has in this series. It's clearly worked for the Stars as players like Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Toffoli, etc that have been caught up in it have done absolutely nothing on the scoreboard. It's kind of disappointing to see a Sutter coached team lose it's composure like this in the playoffs.

[Ducay]

Gotta play with emotion but cut out the after-the-whistle stuff. Thankfully I know Sutter is grinding that message into the boys; we gotta go full stone-faced and let them take PIMs alone (or even no calls).

Like Sutter said, we're the best 5on5 team in the league, not the best 4 on 4 or special teams...team - we need to find a way to play more even strength even if that means the Stars getting away with more.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It seems like too many Flames are letting the Stars players get under their skin. I don't remember Mangiapane getting so involved in skirmishes after the whistle as it has in this series. It's clearly worked for the Stars as players like Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Toffoli, etc that have been caught up in it have done absolutely nothing on the scoreboard. It's kind of disappointing to see a Sutter coached team lose it's composure like this in the playoffs.

I mean, that's an easy narrative, but other than Tkachuk, I don't think it's really true. If you watch the game again, you'll see the Stars were pressing the physicality the entire game, trying to goad the Flames. But the Flames stuck to hockey. They played the right way. They just can't execute.

Two more goals in 3 games - hell, one more goal - and this series would look very, very different.

[Toonage]

Sutter "speaking" to the supervisor feels like it has mob-esque undertones. Like he showed up and smacked the guy around a bit.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Over the last number of years, there has been a trend that penalties go up in the first round, but taper off dramatically once the finals begin.

Theory:

Bettman / The NHL hates its reputation that they put away the whistles for playoffs. They have instructed refs to call more penalties in round one to combat this reputation. This mandate gets softened as the playoffs continue. Refs also naturally don't want to call penalties in important game situations (living up to their reputation)

I think it's just that the players ramp up from 90% in the reg season to 110% in the post and it takes refs a bit of time to re-calibrate (completely understandable IMO)

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I mean, that's an easy narrative, but other than Tkachuk, I don't think it's really true. If you watch the game again, you'll see the Stars were pressing the physicality the entire game, trying to goad the Flames. But the Flames stuck to hockey. They played the right way. They just can't execute.

Two more goals in 3 games - hell, one more goal - and this series would look very, very different.

I don't know. It seemed to me that every whistle Mangiapane was punching someone in the face. Same with Tkachuk. They seemed more invested in the scrums afterwards than anything else.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sutter "speaking" to the supervisor feels like it has mob-esque undertones. Like he showed up and smacked the guy around a bit.

Enthusiastically showed them a video where he converts bulls into steer and invites them to come down to the ranch that summer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I don't know. It seemed to me that every whistle Mangiapane was punching someone in the face. Same with Tkachuk. They seemed more invested in the scrums afterwards than anything else.

You can add Mangiapane in with Tkachuk, sure. But I would say he was just defending himself, as Dallas has been going after him.

When I watch live, I get caught up in the emotion of the game. Which is why I like to rewatch games the next day - I see it from an entirely different perspective (like watching game film, you can focus on details and process). And the thing that jumped out at me more than anything else, watching game 3, was that Dallas spent the entire game trying to goad the Flames, and the Flames focused on hockey for the most part.

If the Flames can get a lead, they can start dictating the series more. Because 5 on 5, when they're playing hockey, the Flames have been the better team.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can add Mangiapane in with Tkachuk, sure. But I would say he was just defending himself, as Dallas has been going after him.

When I watch live, I get caught up in the emotion of the game. Which is why I like to rewatch games the next day - I see it from an entirely different perspective (like watching game film, you can focus on details and process). And the thing that jumped out at me more than anything else, watching game 3, was that Dallas spent the entire game trying to goad the Flames, and the Flames focused on hockey for the most part.

If the Flames can get a lead, they can start dictating the series more. Because 5 on 5, when they're playing hockey, the Flames have been the better team.

I'd be curious on your take about the team handling the puck like a hand-grenade on the second view. The first two games they seemed completely disjointed offensively and the last game seemed better, but they still appear to have lost the smoothness of their puck possession. They fight so hard to have possession of the puck and then toss it back to the point for a shot with little traffic in front. It's often the same play each time.