Sutter and Markstrom's Minutes

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

We had one ourselves here in Calgary, Kipper played 70 year after year.

The only year Kiprusoff went deep in the playoffs, he played just 38 regular-season games. Not the best example, perhaps.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wolf's insertion into the Flames roster for two weeks doesn't make any difference for anyone. What is the point? Markstrom is not getting mentally or physically fatiugued by sitting on the bench here or there.

April 26 to 29 is 4 days, not 2 weeks.

Point taken, although Marky could probably get better rest staying in Calgary for that final week than taking a bunch of extra flights with the team.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wolf's insertion into the Flames roster for two weeks doesn't make any difference for anyone. What is the point? Markstrom is not getting mentally or physically fatiugued by sitting on the bench here or there.

Vladar can ask Phillipe Sauve about what happens to your career when you are assigned a game, play like garbage and decide to get yourself thrown out for fighting because you're angry when playing for Daryl Sutter.

Pretty sure Vladar can at least stay out of the fight, so unless he get's injured if he starts a game he'll finish it if Sutter wants him to.

[Bingo]

I would assume Markstrom will start the last game of the season either way. He won't want too long a break going into game one.

[FireGilbert]

There is a saying in football that the backup QB is the most popular player in town. A few Flames fans seem to feel this way about the backup goalie.

Markstrom has been excellent and I trust Sutter to manage his workload effectively.

[direwolf]

I think I'll trust the 2 x Cup winning coach that he knows what he's doing in regards to the goaltenders.

[direwolf]

wrong thread.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I think I'll trust the 2 x Cup winning coach that he knows what he's doing in regards to the goaltenders.

3x

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am the biggest Sutter fan on the planet, but if he plays Markstrom 8 or 9 times from here, and Markstrom hits the playoffs tired, that is a fire-able offense, IMO.

From Jack Adams to fired; the razors edge that sits on is apparently 2 goalie starts too many.

Wow.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would be interesting to see a total minutes and an intensity minutes for every goaltender.

With intensity minutes being the amount of time with the puck in the defensive zone.

Goalies may not be under siege but if a team is cycling the puck there's a load on a goaltender to move and set, and track pucks, be alert and focused ... etc.

An easy way to do it for fun. Take the inversion of each team's xGF% x total minutes.

Results ...

Total Minutes
Hallebucyk
Saros
Jarry
Markstrom
Demko
Vasilevsky
Gibson
Nedeljkovic
Fleury
Grubauer

Now Intensity Minutes
Hellebucyk
Saros
Demko
Vasilevsky
Gibson
Nedeljkovic
Jarry
Merzlikins
Grubauer
Markstrom

Interesting ....

Very cool stat… did you make that one up?

[bdubbs]

I'm so glad Enoch doesn't make decisions for the Flames. Markstrom will play as much as Sutter thinks he's capable of. I'm sure the goalie coaches have a pulse on Markstrom's health and have the conversation frequently.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The only year Kiprusoff went deep in the playoffs, he played just 38 regular-season games. Not the best example, perhaps.

In fact, that was the only season Kiprussoff won a playoff series.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Pointman

In fact, that was the only season Kiprussoff won a playoff series.

And he played so few because he was the 3rd stringer in SJ and played one game

[jg13]

Theres a very realistic chance we will wrap this division up with 13-14 days prior to our first game of the playoffs.

That is going to be a major key in getting Markstrom some rest. it felt like when we had Kiprusoff we were working him hard till the last day of the season just to get into the dance.

I think the situation here is much different and I trust Sutter with Markstroms workload.

[dino7c]

another factor is its not like Markstrom is facing 50 shots a game

[getbak]

Here are the minutes played by every Cup-winning goalie since the lockout (Regular Season / Playoffs / Total)...

• 2006 | Cam Ward // 1484 / 1320 == 2804
• 2007 | Jean-Sebastien Giguere // 3245 / 1067 == 4312
• 2008 | Chris Osgood // 2409 / 1160 == 3569
• 2009 | Marc-Andre Fleury // 3641 / 1447 == 5088
• 2010 | Antti Niemi // 2190 / 1322 == 3512
• 2011 | Tim Thomas // 3364 / 1542 == 4906
• 2012 | Jonathan Quick // 4099 / 1238 == 5337
• 2013 | Corey Crawford // 1761 / 1504 == 3265
• 2014 | Jonathan Quick // 2904 / 1605 == 4509
• 2015 | Corey Crawford // 3333 / 1223 == 4556
• 2016 | Matt Murray // 749 / 1267 == 2016
• 2017 | Matt Murray // 2766 / 669 == 3435
• 2018 | Braden Holtby // 3068 / 1386 == 4454
• 2019 | Jordan Binnington // 1876 / 1560 == 3436
• 2020 | Andrei Vasilevskiy // 3122 / 1708 == 4830
• 2021 | Andrei Vasilevskiy // 2524 / 1390 == 3914

Right now, Markstrom is at 3,387 minutes. He has already passed everyone on the list except for Fleury in 2009 and Quick in 2012. If he plays at least half the remaining games, he'll pass Fleury, but he can't pass Quick.

[DeluxeMoustache]

That’s all great but there are a lot of moving parts in teams that win cups

Lots of things have to go right that no goalie can influence

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Very cool stat… did you make that one up?

I guess so ... lifted the idea from Everlast for the most part though.

[EVERLAST]

Wow /\ those numbers are insane year by year.
It shows the workload that can be carried but the wear and tear associated with that I don't think can be weighed appropriately but than to say there's allot of other factors involved.

If the team in front to those goalies is sound defensively, can provide goal production, has stayed healthy etc etc etc.

Really tells a story as to what's involved in winning....

We've been very fortunate this year based on what we've been through.

Think back to the whole team being shut down with Covid to now.....if you told me this whole story in advance I would have told you you were bat poop nuts.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jg13

Theres a very realistic chance we will wrap this division up with 13-14 days prior to our first game of the playoffs.

That is going to be a major key in getting Markstrom some rest. it felt like when we had Kiprusoff we were working him hard till the last day of the season just to get into the dance.

I think the situation here is much different and I trust Sutter with Markstroms workload.

It was mentioned also in another thread that the mid-season COVID break is also a huge factor that throws the numbers out. Markstrom went 18 straight days without playing in December, then played three of the next five over nine days, went nine straight days without a start after that, and then had only one more game in the next eight days. That is five games in 41 days, with all five occurring over a period of three weeks.

Since the end of the COVID break Markstrom has played 2,118:38 in 36 games, and 25 of those have been at home. He should be as fresh as he ever has been heading into the playoffs.

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