03-18-2022, 12:23 PM
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#21
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Interesting. Might be about the same Toffoli got in return
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03-18-2022, 12:24 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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this is so Tampa. The old Coleman/Goodrow special, giving up a 1st+ for an extremely cheap player with term.
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03-18-2022, 12:25 PM
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#23
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Is this year the biggest in terms of arms races by top teams? Feels different.
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Lots of windows closing soon due to cap issues. A lot of teams will be all in this year and next.
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03-18-2022, 12:26 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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This feels a bit "sell high" for me for Chicago.
Hagel has played a lot with Kane this year, and I'm not sure his 22.3% individual shooting percentage at 5v5 is sustainable (it's not).
Still a good player, but I don't think he can sustain this goal scoring rate.
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03-18-2022, 12:27 PM
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#25
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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03-18-2022, 12:27 PM
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#26
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
Calgary would need to add a #### ton on top of Dube for Hagel.
Like a 1st +
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The funny thing is that if Dube was playing on a bottom feeder getting force fed 20+ minutes a night with Patrick Kane he would probably be worth a 1st round pick ++ as well. They are the same age and Dube has been statistically the better player until this season.
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03-18-2022, 12:28 PM
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#27
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Too much. Rather have Jarnkrok
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03-18-2022, 12:28 PM
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#28
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#1 Goaltender
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Blackhawks trade Brandon Hagel to Tampa for multiple 1sts
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
Calgary would need to add a #### ton on top of Dube for Hagel.
Like a 1st +
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Yep, for now anyway. Hagel is currently twice the player at half the cost.
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03-18-2022, 12:29 PM
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#29
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Strickland is contradicting Servalli, saying the return isn't much and includes a single 1st.
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03-18-2022, 12:29 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
The funny thing is that if Dube was playing on a bottom feeder getting force fed 20+ minutes a night with Patrick Kane he would probably be worth a 1st round pick ++ as well. They are the same age and Dube has been statistically the better player until this season.
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Dube has more shots, and more xGF this season. Better underlying metrics.
Only difference is Dube is shooting 6.98% at 5v5 (low)
Hagel is shooting 22.4% at 5v5 (ridiculously high), last year he shot 7.69% and he's wasn't a huge goal scorer in the AHL, so this season is an outlier.
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03-18-2022, 12:31 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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I can see a 1st and a prospect, but "multiple" 1sts would be crazy unless something of value comes back too.
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03-18-2022, 12:31 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Makes some sense for Tampa 3 playoff runs with this guy at 1.5M
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03-18-2022, 12:33 PM
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#33
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Same reason Chychrun is on the market. The value contract will run out before they are ready to compete so cash out while they can on younger assets that are more in line with the teams timeline to win
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I sure hope the Flames never adopt the same model.
I know, the way the Flames have built teams so far has put them in mediocre positions for a number of seasons in a row, but as a STH, those games can be enjoyable as at least they compete.
No way I would want season tickets knowing that the team will lose 65% of their games for 5 years.
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03-18-2022, 12:37 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Draug
I sure hope the Flames never adopt the same model.
I know, the way the Flames have built teams so far has put them in mediocre positions for a number of seasons in a row, but as a STH, those games can be enjoyable as at least they compete.
No way I would want season tickets knowing that the team will lose 65% of their games for 5 years.
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There was a large contingent on this board who spent all offseason saying this was the only way to build a contender. Quiet group now but it is what many wanted.
I see it though. Chicago is not going to be good for a few years. When they are maybe turning the corner they now pay Hagel $6M per season? They tried to fast track things with Seth Jones and failed so it is back to the drawing board. Multiple 1sts is a good return even if they are pretty much a lock to be late.
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03-18-2022, 12:45 PM
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#35
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Wow the prices are nuts
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03-18-2022, 12:45 PM
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#36
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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03-18-2022, 12:46 PM
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#37
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First Line Centre
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@FriedgeHNIC
Hagel is going to TB with two fourths, for two firsts and prospects. Obviously still working on prospects
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03-18-2022, 12:48 PM
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#38
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Well that is nuts. Must see some untapped potential in him still
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03-18-2022, 12:48 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Holy crap.
Tampa got fleeced.
Hagel's success is 100% shooting percentage driven - 23% shooting percentage is not sustainable.
Raddysh and Katchouk have been really good for them as an energy 4th line, and 2 firsts on top of that.
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03-18-2022, 12:48 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
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That is pure insanity by Tampa.
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