Who gives a #### about an Oxford comma?
I've seen those English dramas too, they're cruel
So if there's any other way
To spell the word, it's fine with me, with me
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I could be wrong but to actually properly reference a decade ...
DOUBLE split infinitive???! Jesus, man.
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You would never say “for I”, so why do people think it’s correct to say “for Steve and I”?!? It makes my ears bleed.
The other one people have no idea how to use is “myself.” It’s the reflexive form, meaning you’re performing an action and you are also the subject. But people are always trying to get me to give something to themselves… like “when you’re finished with your exam, you can hand that in to Josh, or to myself…”
That one drives me nuts. I always want to respond with “actually, I can’t. YOU can give something to yourself, but for me that’s grammatically impossible. I can only give it to YOU.”
Believe it or not but this board has actually improved quite a bit from when I first started visiting over 15 years ago. I remember being really surprised how bad some of the posts were, horrific spelling and a lot of improper use of words. Compared to a lot of other message boards it was really bad.
Of course we still see "your" and "you're" used improperly but I actually think it's improving.
Believe it or not but this board has actually improved quite a bit from when I first started visiting over 15 years ago. I remember being really surprised how bad some of the posts were, horrific spelling and a lot of improper use of words. Compared to a lot of other message boards it was really bad.
Of course we still see "your" and "you're" used improperly but I actually think it's improving.
I think new words have entered that realm though. I've constantly seen roll and role mixed up in the same manner.
You would never say “for I”, so why do people think it’s correct to say “for Steve and I”?!? It makes my ears bleed.
The other one people have no idea how to use is “myself.” It’s the reflexive form, meaning you’re performing an action and you are also the subject. But people are always trying to get me to give something to themselves… like “when you’re finished with your exam, you can hand that in to Josh, or to myself…”
That one drives me nuts. I always want to respond with “actually, I can’t. YOU can give something to yourself, but for me that’s grammatically impossible. I can only give it to YOU.”
Hmm. My father was very strict about grammar when we were kids, and every time we'd say something like, "Me and Mike are going to the store" he'd always cut us off and say, "Who's going to the store?" and keep repeating until we corrected ourselves to say "Mike and I are going to the store."
Hmm. My father was very strict about grammar when we were kids, and every time we'd say something like, "Me and Mike are going to the store" he'd always cut us off and say, "Who's going to the store?" and keep repeating until we corrected ourselves to say "Mike and I are going to the store."
The correction in your example is correct (and the rule GirlySports proposed also works as a mnemonic). The problem occurs when people overgeneralize and assume that because it’s incorrect to say “me and Mike” are going to the store, therefore it’s ALWAYS incorrect to say “me and Mike.” But “me and Mike” is perfectly correct when the nouns are in the objective case rather than the subjective.
I blame the “myself” issue on the same problem. People have somehow had it drilled into them that in formal speech you should never use the word “me”, and so in order to avoid that they replace it with “myself” in situations where “me” is a perfectly good—and in many cases correct—English pronoun.
And so you get these ear-bleeding concoctions like “please send the completed form to myself when finished”, which makes me question whether the speaker paid any attention to grammar in their lives at all. But I think what they are doing is trying to avoid “me”, because they’ve been taught somewhere along the line that it’s wrong. It’s not. Your grade 7 English teacher lied.
Who gives a #### about an Oxford comma?
I've seen those English dramas too, they're cruel
So if there's any other way
To spell the word, it's fine with me, with me
They came out of the gates so strong and then faded.
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