[News] An interview with Agent Ritch Winter on revamped FAN960 sked.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I don't know if I'd want my agent speaking to the media.

This feels akin to my lawyer flapping his gums whenever someone shoves a microphone in his face.

I was quite surprised that a) Winter agreed to go on the show and b) he was actually giving legitimate answers. I'm sure he didn't say anything that wasn't in his or client best interests but still. It's entertaining as a fan tho that's for sure.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Mangiapane is a relentless puck-hound who has the jam to make plays in the tough areas of the ice. But he doesn’t use his teammates especially well. Most of time when he has the puck on his stick down low, he’s thinking goal or bust. He’s probably finding it harder to drive the net now that teams are keying on him.

He doesn’t use his teammates well because his teammates are not good offensively. This team lacks talent in their lineup, and Mangiapane is producing while playing on a line effectively by himself…and you use that as a point against him?

Originally Posted by dino7c

Mangiapane started great, he has 21 points though. Will pass his career high of 32 but by how much?

There should be caution on both sides, is he really going to be able to hit a home run UFA deal in a couple years? depends on his play I guess, seems like his hot start was just that.

At some point this team needs more than a few good hockey players, no? If they want to be a good team but won’t spend money on good players…then what are they doing? If they go to free agency to replace Mangiapane who left via free agency, they aren’t going to get a better player than Mangiapane. Our free history shows that.

If you’re arguing the Flames shouldn’t commit long term money to Mangiapane because they’re going to suck on purpose, well that makes sense - otherwise, if the plan is to improve the team, the team needs to keep its good players and add to them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He doesn’t use his teammates well because his teammates are not good offensively. This team lacks talent in their lineup, and Mangiapane is producing while playing on a line effectively by himself…and you use that as a point against him?



At some point this team needs more than a few good hockey players, no? If they want to be a good team but won’t spend money on good players…then what are they doing? If they go to free agency to replace Mangiapane who left via free agency, they aren’t going to get a better player than Mangiapane. Our free history shows that.

If you’re arguing the Flames shouldn’t commit long term money to Mangiapane because they’re going to suck on purpose, well that makes sense - otherwise, if the plan is to improve the team, the team needs to keep its good players and add to them.

Yeah Mangiapane ranks the following among the team forwards at 5v5

Corsi For: 58.1% (2nd - Tkachuk)
xGF: 58.3% (2nd - Tkachuk)
On Ice Shooting Percentage: 6.61%
Shots: 58 (5th)
Goals: 10 (2nd - Gaudreau)
Individual xG: 7.01 (3rd - Tkachuk, Coleman)
Assists: 2 (10th)

The Flames have taken 242 shots with Mangiapane on the ice, they have scored 16 goals....he has scored 10 of those himself on 58 shots.

Meaning his linemates have shot 3.26% with him on the ice...that is a ridiculously low percentage and his assist would be much higher if his linemates had any finish.

This team should really be rolling with:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk: 60.8% xGF
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman :66.3% xGF

As a legitimately strong top 6 that can generate chances and both lines play a strong 200ft game.

Problem is they can't do that because Monahan, Dube, Lucic, Lewis, Richardson, Ritchie, Pitlick would be a pretty ugly bottom 6, no matter how you deploy them.


IMO the goal heading into the playoffs should be to let those two lines stay together and continue to dominate when on the ice together. While trying to rebuild a serviceable bottom 6 , replacing at least 2 of the guys listed above.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This team should really be rolling with:



Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk:

Mangiapane-Hertl-Rakell



As an elite strong top 6 that can generate chances and both lines play a strong 200ft game.

Fixed your post.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Mangiapane ranks the following among the team forwards at 5v5

Corsi For: 58.1% (2nd - Tkachuk)
xGF: 58.3% (2nd - Tkachuk)
On Ice Shooting Percentage: 6.61%
Shots: 58 (5th)
Goals: 10 (2nd - Gaudreau)
Individual xG: 7.01 (3rd - Tkachuk, Coleman)
Assists: 2 (10th)

The Flames have taken 242 shots with Mangiapane on the ice, they have scored 16 goals....he has scored 10 of those himself on 58 shots.

Meaning his linemates have shot 3.26% with him on the ice...that is a ridiculously low percentage and his assist would be much higher if his linemates had any finish.

This team should really be rolling with:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk: 60.8% xGF
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman :66.3% xGF

As a legitimately strong top 6 that can generate chances and both lines play a strong 200ft game.

Problem is they can't do that because Monahan, Dube, Lucic, Lewis, Richardson, Ritchie, Pitlick would be a pretty ugly bottom 6, no matter how you deploy them.


IMO the goal heading into the playoffs should be to let those two lines stay together and continue to dominate when on the ice together. While trying to rebuild a serviceable bottom 6 , replacing at least 2 of the guys listed above.

Yeah right now...he was on pace for 50 goals at one point. Lets see where it ends up

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He doesn’t use his teammates well because his teammates are not good offensively. This team lacks talent in their lineup, and Mangiapane is producing while playing on a line effectively by himself…and you use that as a point against him?



At some point this team needs more than a few good hockey players, no? If they want to be a good team but won’t spend money on good players…then what are they doing? If they go to free agency to replace Mangiapane who left via free agency, they aren’t going to get a better player than Mangiapane. Our free history shows that.

If you’re arguing the Flames shouldn’t commit long term money to Mangiapane because they’re going to suck on purpose, well that makes sense - otherwise, if the plan is to improve the team, the team needs to keep its good players and add to them.

He needs to prove he is a good player over a longer stretch if he wants to be paid like one IMO. Career high is 32 points, his start was insane but he has been pretty average for 15 games+

Also the Flames have 30 home games left, how is that gonna go?

Conversation is very different if he finishes with 35 points and not 55+ like we were expecting a month ago. Time will tell

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I don't know if I'd want my agent speaking to the media.

This feels akin to my lawyer flapping his gums whenever someone shoves a microphone in his face.

Stormy - is that you?

[browna]

Free airtime for Winter and his clients. Ego bump for Francis who will be texting Winter incessantly at the trade deadline, looking for a scoop to be the insider he so desperately wants to be.

It's how the game works and how rumors are started and facts are blurred, maybe not quite so overtly as an agent doing a 10 minute interview in most cases, but they are the sources that insiders then craft a message around, for the agents' betterment of their clients and indirectly, themselves.

Participation in the Olympics has always been a topic early in the last few CBA negotiations. Fehr brought it up years ago as the opening salvo. I think it's because the owners really really don't want their players to go and screw up the season get hurt, pay insurance premiums etc.

Meanwhile, the majority of players like the mid season break, those that go, the chance to play with other stars, the Olympic experience, but mainly, the push to the Olympics is the one big thing the owners don't want, so at a Union level, it's a victory for player freedom and pushing the owners aside if they get that in the CBA.

But, as Winter said, for all the handwringing and supposed player disappointment, they wouldn't go if it's going to cost them pure cash at home, but they'll still complain about them being held back by the owners.

[Mr.Coffee]

The Flames are going to be rebuilding after this year so not sure the Flames would want to sign him long term either. Time to start keeping your picks and your options open.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Flames are going to be rebuilding after this year so not sure the Flames would want to sign him long term either. Time to start keeping your picks and your options open.

Lmao, and what makes you think the team is going into a rebuild next year? This sounds like a hope and a prayer on your part.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Flames are going to be rebuilding after this year so not sure the Flames would want to sign him long term either. Time to start keeping your picks and your options open.

The only way flames are rebuilding next year is if their game falls off a cliff and they don’t make playoffs this year. Even if they lose Johnny for nothing I still believe they will go for it.

[Mr.Coffee]

I don't necessarily hope for it but if you lose Gaudreau (they will) then it'll basically force a rebuilt. In fact arguably losing Johnny is de facto a rebuild.

Flames ain't winning #### without Gaudreau, they can barely muster goals with him in the line up so not a candles chance in a blizzard they win anything meaningful without him. And he is not going to stay here, because the Flames will not give him the contract he will look for.

Be unafraid of the rebuild, because it's coming this summer.

[kyuss275]

Just read the article from this interview. Can’t say I liked anything about what winter suggested for mangi and Gio. Trade for Gio at deadline? Are you nuts? It would cost a 1st round pick for a slower 40 year old Gio . Mangi should sign a one year contract and then think about jumping ship ? If that’s the case, trade him. He also mentions if Johnny or Tkachuk will even be on the team after this season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don't necessarily hope for it but if you lose Gaudreau (they will) then it'll basically force a rebuilt. In fact arguably losing Johnny is de facto a rebuild.

Flames ain't winning #### without Gaudreau, they can barely muster goals with him in the line up so not a candles chance in a blizzard they win anything meaningful without him. And he is not going to stay here, because the Flames will not give him the contract he will look for.

Be unafraid of the rebuild, because it's coming this summer.

If they lose Gaudreau they will be positioning themselves for a chance at drafting Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov. I don't know if a Darryl Sutter coached team could fall that low but without Johnny they would be in the running for lowest scoring team in the league.

[Goriders]

They aren’t rebuilding if Sutter’s here.

What in the Flame’s owners history points towards them ever rebuilding?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If they lose Gaudreau they will be positioning themselves for a chance at drafting Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov. I don't know if a Darryl Sutter coached team could fall that low but without Johnny they would be in the running for lowest scoring team in the league.

It with Sutter they can defend so while the team will certainly be out of the playoffs they won’t be in Bedard territory not with Sutter and the goalies we have.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Goriders

They aren’t rebuilding if Sutter’s here.

What in the Flame’s owners history points towards them ever rebuilding?

Salim Valji had some pretty bleak predictions for the flames in 22 which included Johnny walking and Sutter moving to an advisory role while Mueller takes over next year. Also calls the flames win a round, go after Kadri in the summer, add a piece at the deadline, and move on from Monahan

https://www.tsn.ca/valji-six-calgary...2022-1.1740498

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It with Sutter they can defend so while the team will certainly be out of the playoffs they won’t be in Bedard territory not with Sutter and the goalies we have.

Anything is possible for a team that can't score goals as that is the means of winning hockey games.

[Ashasx]

I don't see how this team can compete without one of Gaudreau or Sutter, never mind both.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If they lose Gaudreau they will be positioning themselves for a chance at drafting Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov. I don't know if a Darryl Sutter coached team could fall that low but without Johnny they would be in the running for lowest scoring team in the league.

And Adam Fantilli. That's what makes the 2023 draft so compelling - there are potential multiple franchise players near the top.