Coyotes for sale again? Possible buyer in Houston

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Population isn't everything though especially for Quebec city. How many people in Houston care about hockey ?

People will drive in from Sageunay, Rimouski, Trois rivières etc. This boosts the overall affected population by a huge margin.

The market here is undeniable, the reason it failed was from faulty ownership not lack of support.

The demographics are also alot better now then what they were in the past. The city is no longer dependant on lower paying government jobs so there is alot more money here now then what there was in the 90s.

I have been let down a ton in the past so I won't get my hopes up but it does seem like a good moment.

Let Quebec buy the Coyotes and bring Houston in via expansion.

Will the drop in French players in the league impact Quebec. Not easy to land a bunch of francophone players now a days.

[Monahammer]

It's weird, but I think Phoenix could actually finally succeed if an arena in Tempe materializes. They would kill with the ASU college crowd with the right targeted marketing.

But Houston is a good market, and it seems silly that the NHL hasnt tried it yet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Population isn't everything though especially for Quebec city. How many people in Houston care about hockey ?

People will drive in from Sageunay, Rimouski, Trois rivières etc. This boosts the overall affected population by a huge margin.

The market here is undeniable, the reason it failed was from faulty ownership not lack of support.

The demographics are also alot better now then what they were in the past. The city is no longer dependant on lower paying government jobs so there is alot more money here now then what there was in the 90s.

I have been let down a ton in the past so I won't get my hopes up but it does seem like a good moment.

Let Quebec buy the Coyotes and bring Houston in via expansion.

The Nords had a huge revenue problem, an arena problem, a Canadian dollar problem and a language issue for players. and that 830K population I cited above was greater Quebec City, so it includes the outlying areas (same for the Houston population). And the provincial government is still the biggest employer (27,000) and the other industries aren't that high paying - the second biggest at 10,000 is the local healthcare network, and at 10% the next biggest industry is manufacturing. I just don't see a lot of suite sales, advertising or television revenue.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Houston is far more capable of supporting a team than Quebec, which has already failed once. We're talking 6.6 million people versus 830K, and a huge corporate base versus almost nothing. Plus taxes.

TV deals also factor in. Houston is a large market so it would be a lateral move from Phoenix but a move to Quebec would add a market for Rogers while subtracting a large audience from ESPN and Turner. Quebec City will very likely never happen in our lifetimes as professional sports is just too high stakes now.

[CroFlames]

It's just weird how the league bends over backwards to save the Coyote, even taking ownership for a period of time.

But they didn't hesitate one moment to move QC & WPG.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Since 1990 there have been 5 NHL franchise moves. In that time there were 6 NFL moves and even some of those were either within the same state (LA/Oakland/San Diego) or involved the same franchise twice (Raiders, Rams). In the NBA there have been 4 moves in that same time not counting hurricane or COVID moves (all in the 2000s though).

you are right, there is more than I was thinking if you go into the 1990s with hockey really struggling. I guess my point is it seems like a last resort in the NHL to move a team, but in the NBA and NFL it is an open option. really hockey has 1 team move (Atlanta) in the last 24 years. where is the 2000's in the NBA the teams that moved are the Nets, Grizzlies, hornets, and thunder. The NFL had the raiders, Rams, Chargers all recently And those leagues are not struggling. They moved for better owners and better money/TV opportunities which likely made the league stronger.

Even teams that moved away in the NBA like Charlotte got new teams back, and NFL is discussing getting St Louis a team back.

[calculoso]

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tiger

you are right, there is more than I was thinking if you go into the 1990s with hockey really struggling. I guess my point is it seems like a last resort in the NHL to move a team, but in the NBA and NFL it is an open option. really hockey has 1 team move (Atlanta) in the last 24 years. where is the 2000's in the NBA the teams that moved are the Nets, Grizzlies, hornets, and thunder. The NFL had the raiders, Rams, Chargers all recently And those leagues are not struggling. They moved for better owners and better money/TV opportunities which likely made the league stronger.

Even teams that moved away in the NBA like Charlotte got new teams back, and NFL is discussing getting St Louis a team back.

Since Atlanta, what teams (aside from Phoenix) have needed to move though?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

People will drive in from Sageunay, Rimouski, Trois rivières etc. This boosts the overall affected population by a huge margin.

Trois Rivières is over 100 km from QC, Saguenay is over 200 km, and Rimouski is over 300 km. People might decide to go to a handful of weekend games if the weather is nice, but none of those would provide a significant source of season ticket holders.

[Kipper_3434]

Please lock this thread. Rumors confirmed false.

[CroFlames]

Confirmed is questionable.

If they are for sale or are in negotiations for sale, they will of course deny it until it's finalized.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I'd prefer to see them move into Austin. That city is booming and it would be good to get in there before any other leagues. Could be another Nashville

That's actually an interesting idea. I could see a team doing well there. As a quirky little city that embraces the non-stereotypical Texan way of life, it feels like a place the NHL would really take by storm.

It'd be a massive gamble though. Especially with a seven million person city two hours away that has already proven pro hockey can do just fine.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Houston is far more capable of supporting a team than Quebec, which has already failed once. We're talking 6.6 million people versus 830K, and a huge corporate base versus almost nothing. Plus taxes.

Tons of Canadians live in Houston or travel there frequently for work. A team in Houston would be great. Dallas gets good support, no reason to believe Houston wouldn't work.

Also, Houston is a massive TV audience for the NHL. Strictly from a business perspective there's virtually no category in which Quebec makes more sense. Really their only argument is "we're Canadian", but frankly Canadian teams piss me off. We don't need more of them.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Nords had a huge revenue problem, an arena problem, a Canadian dollar problem and a language issue for players. and that 830K population I cited above was greater Quebec City, so it includes the outlying areas (same for the Houston population). And the provincial government is still the biggest employer (27,000) and the other industries aren't that high paying - the second biggest at 10,000 is the local healthcare network, and at 10% the next biggest industry is manufacturing. I just don't see a lot of suite sales, advertising or television revenue.

The Nordiques ownership was a huge reason for the revenue problem.

The arena problem has been fixed.

The greater Quebec area is just Quebec city and Levis, without a shadow of a doubt people would come.

I think it is completely reasonable to expect a very similar revenue to Winnipeg as the markets are extremely similar.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Before we close the thread. From 2009:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...-63528102.html

A spokesman for the NHL’s Atlanta Thrashers organization said this morning that there is no truth to a report that a Toronto-based group is working to purchase the club and move it to Winnipeg.

"There’s two words that you can quote to our general manager, Don Waddell," Thrashers spokesman Rob Koch told the Free Press this morning, "which is ‘Completely false.’

"The whole thing, it’s completely false."

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Tons of Canadians live in Houston or travel there frequently for work. A team in Houston would be great. Dallas gets good support, no reason to believe Houston wouldn't work.

Also, Houston is a massive TV audience for the NHL. Strictly from a business perspective there's virtually no category in which Quebec makes more sense. Really their only argument is "we're Canadian", but frankly Canadian teams piss me off. We don't need more of them.

Yes, I know quite a few Canadians working there. And people said Vegas wouldn't work because hot =/= hockey.

That said, I think the league wants to give a Tempe location a real shot.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

The Nordiques ownership was a huge reason for the revenue problem.

The arena problem has been fixed.

The greater Quebec area is just Quebec city and Levis, without a shadow of a doubt people would come.

I think it is completely reasonable to expect a very similar revenue to Winnipeg as the markets are extremely similar.

Nobody cares about Quebec City..

Fin

[sureLoss]

Reminder that when a team is sold to a new owner, it is standard for the NHL to put a clause in that the new owner will not try to move the team for 7 years. The Coyotes were sold in 2019 to the current owner.

I think the Tempe arena deal would have to fall apart completely for the NHL to release them from the clause.

[jaikorven]

Where's Troutman, he would be someone that knows a fair bit on this topic from the QC side and whether they might be viable?

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Nobody cares about Quebec City..

Fin

I would beg to differ but your opinion has been made.